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Subject: Re: TestPosition

Author: Michel Langeveld

Date: 14:27:58 11/13/01

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On November 13, 2001 at 16:59:43, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On November 13, 2001 at 16:43:11, Michel Langeveld wrote:
>
>>On November 13, 2001 at 15:18:12, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>On November 13, 2001 at 13:18:55, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 13, 2001 at 12:00:47, Michel Langeveld wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>How long does your program need to see that Nxf1 is deadly lost:
>>>>>
>>>>>[D] 2r3k1/1b3p2/p4q2/2bp1NpQ/Pr6/3BP2P/3n1PPB/1R3RK1 b - - 0 30
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Should take crafty this long:
>>>>
>>>>                9    13.25  -1.53   1. ... Nxf1 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Be5 Ng3
>>>>                                    4. Nh6+ Kf8 5. Bxg3 Rc1+ <HT>
>>>>                9->  14.45  -1.53   1. ... Nxf1 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Be5 Ng3
>>>>                                    4. Nh6+ Kf8 5. Bxg3 Rc1+ <HT>
>>>>               10    16.55     --   1. ... Nxf1
>>>>               10    37.19  -0.47   1. ... Nxf1 2. Be5 Rxb1 3. Bxb1 Ng3
>>>>                                    4. fxg3 Bxe3+ 5. Kh2 Bg1+ 6. Kxg1 Qxe5
>>>>                                    7. Ne7+ Kg7 8. Nxc8 Bxc8
>>>>               10->  43.73  -0.47   1. ... Nxf1 2. Be5 Rxb1 3. Bxb1 Ng3
>>>>                                    4. fxg3 Bxe3+ 5. Kh2 Bg1+ 6. Kxg1 Qxe5
>>>>                                    7. Ne7+ Kg7 8. Nxc8 Bxc8
>>>>               11    44.67     --   1. ... Nxf1
>>>>               11    57.23   3.07   1. ... Nxf1 2. Be5 Rxb1 3. Bxb1 Ng3
>>>>                                    4. fxg3 Bxe3+ 5. Kh2 Rc1 6. Ne7+ Kf8
>>>>                                    7. Ng6+ fxg6 8. Qh6+ Ke7 9. Bxf6+ Kxf6
>>>>                                    10. Bxg6
>>>>
>
>Some more:
>
>Black(1):               puzzling over a move to ponder.
>              clearing hash tables
>         nss  depth   time  score   variation (1)
>                5->   0.17  -0.70   1. ... Nxb1 2. Nh6+ Kg7 3. Nf5+ Kf8
>                                    4. Rxb1 Rxb1+ 5. Bxb1 Kg8
>                6     0.26     --   1. ... Nxb1
>                6     0.29   1.96   1. ... Nxb1 2. Be5 Rh4 3. Qxh4 gxh4
>                                    4. Bxf6
>                6     0.50  -0.36   1. ... Rxb1 2. Rxb1 Nxb1 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                                    4. Bxb1 Bb4 5. Bd3 Rc1+ 6. Bf1 <HT>
>                6->   0.67  -0.36   1. ... Rxb1 2. Rxb1 Nxb1 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                                    4. Bxb1 Bb4 5. Bd3 Rc1+ 6. Bf1 <HT>
>                7     0.77     --   1. ... Rxb1
>                7     1.04   2.38   1. ... Rxb1 2. Rxb1 Nxb1 3. Be5 Bd4
>                                    4. Bxf6 Rc1+ 5. Kh2 Bxf6
>                7     1.49   1.63   1. ... Nxb1 2. Be5 Rh4 3. Nxh4 Qxe5
>                                    4. Bh7+ Kf8 5. Rxb1
>                7     2.02  -0.28   1. ... Nxf1 2. Rxf1 Rxa4 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                                    4. Be5 Qe7 5. Qd1
>                7->   2.33  -0.28   1. ... Nxf1 2. Rxf1 Rxa4 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                                    4. Be5 Qe7 5. Qd1
>                8     3.70  -0.13   1. ... Nxf1 2. Be5 Ng3 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                                    4. Bxg3 Rxb1+ 5. Bxb1 Rc6 6. Ng4 Qe7
>                8->   4.80  -0.13   1. ... Nxf1 2. Be5 Ng3 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                                    4. Bxg3 Rxb1+ 5. Bxb1 Rc6 6. Ng4 Qe7
>                9     5.29     --   1. ... Nxf1
>                9     7.84   0.07   1. ... Nxf1 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Be5 Ng3
>                                    4. Nh6+ Kf8 5. Bxg3 Rc1+ 6. Kh2 Kg7
>                                    7. Ng4 <HT>
>                9->  10.69   0.07   1. ... Nxf1 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Be5 Ng3
>                                    4. Nh6+ Kf8 5. Bxg3 Rc1+ 6. Kh2 Kg7
>                                    7. Ng4 <HT>
>               10    14.63   0.20   1. ... Nxf1 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Be5 Rc1
>                                    4. Nh6+ Kf8 5. Bxf1 Qg6 6. Qg4 Qb1
>                                    7. Qe2
>               10->  21.48   0.20   1. ... Nxf1 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Be5 Rc1
>                                    4. Nh6+ Kf8 5. Bxf1 Qg6 6. Qg4 Qb1
>                                    7. Qe2
>               11    48.54   0.07   1. ... Nxf1 2. Rxf1 Kf8 3. f4 g4 4.
>                                    Qxg4 Re8 5. Qe2 Rb2 6. Qf3 Kg8
>               11->   1:01   0.07   1. ... Nxf1 2. Rxf1 Kf8 3. f4 g4 4.
>                                    Qxg4 Re8 5. Qe2 Rb2 6. Qf3 Kg8
>               12     1:56     --   1. ... Nxf1
>
> 12     3:09   5.43   1. ... Nxf1 2. Be5 Rxb1 3. Bxb1 Ng3
>                                    4. fxg3 Bxe3+ 5. Kf1 a5 6. Bxf6 Ba6+
>                                    7. Ke1 Rc1+ 8. Qd1 Bf2+ 9. Kd2 Rxd1+
>                                    10. Kxd1 Bf1 11. Bxg5 Bxg2
>               12     5:41   3.79   1. ... Rxb1 2. Rxb1 Bf8 3. Ng3 Bd6
>                                    4. Rxb7 Rc1+ 5. Nf1 Rxf1+ 6. Bxf1 Bxh2+
>                                    7. Kxh2 Nxf1+ 8. Kg1 Nd2 9. Rb8+ Kg7
>                                    10. Qh8+ Kg6 11. Qxf6+ Kxf6 12. Ra8
>                                    Ke5 13. Rxa6
>               12     8:30   2.22   1. ... Rc6 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Rd1 Bc8
>                                    4. Nd4 Rc5 5. Qh7+ Kf8 6. h4 Ne4 7.
>                                    Bxe4 dxe4 8. hxg5 Bf5 9. Nxf5 Qxf5
>               12     9:53   2.16   1. ... Kf8 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Rd1 Nc4
>                                    4. f4 g4 5. Bg3 gxh3 6. Bh4 Qc3 7.
>                                    Qh6+ Kg8 8. Qg5+ Kh8 9. gxh3
>               12->  11:24   2.16   1. ... Kf8 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Rd1 Nc4
>                                    4. f4 g4 5. Bg3 gxh3 6. Bh4 Qc3 7.
>                                    Qh6+ Kg8 8. Qg5+ Kh8 9. gxh3
>               13    12:42   2.51   1. ... Kf8 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Rd1 a5 4.
>                                    Nh6 Re8 5. Rxd2 Bxd2 6. Bd6+ Re7 7.
>                                    Nxf7 Bxe3 8. fxe3 Qxf7 9. Qxg5
>               13->  20:41   2.51   1. ... Kf8 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Rd1 a5 4.
>                                    Nh6 Re8 5. Rxd2 Bxd2 6. Bd6+ Re7 7.
>                                    Nxf7 Bxe3 8. fxe3 Qxf7 9. Qxg5
>               14    26:39   2.56   1. ... Kf8 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Rd1 Nc4
>                                    4. f4 g4 5. hxg4 Nb2 6. g5 Qc3 7. g6
>                                    fxg6 8. Qh6+ Kf7 9. Qh7+ Kf8
>               14->  41:44   2.56   1. ... Kf8 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Rd1 Nc4
>                                    4. f4 g4 5. hxg4 Nb2 6. g5 Qc3 7. g6
>                                    fxg6 8. Qh6+ Kf7 9. Qh7+ Kf8
>               15    61:51   2.66   1. ... Kf8 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Rd1 a5 4.
>                                    Nh6 Nc4 5. Ng4 Qg7 6. Bxc4 dxc4 7.
>                                    Be5 Qg6 <HT>
>               15->  96:58   2.66   1. ... Kf8 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Rd1 a5 4.
>                                    Nh6 Nc4 5. Ng4 Qg7 6. Bxc4 dxc4 7.
>                                    Be5 Qg6 <HT>
>               16   112:49     --   1. ... Kf8
>               16   187:18   3.17   1. ... Kf8 2. Rxb4 Bxb4 3. Rd1 Ne4
>                                    4. Qg4 Be7 5. Nxe7 Kxe7 6. Bxe4 Rc4
>                                    7. Qg3 dxe4 8. Qb8 Bd5 9. Be5 Qe6 10.
>                                    a5
>--
>GCP

Thanks Gian-Carlo!!
So it seems to be that even Kf8 is lost...



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