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Subject: Re: Test Position: deFirmian-Miles -- Mate in 11

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 19:21:02 11/13/01

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On November 13, 2001 at 21:59:38, William Sprague wrote:

>On November 13, 2001 at 19:53:14, John Merlino wrote:
>
>>Here's a position from a game the 1988 US Championship in Cambridge Springs. Of
>>special interest, note the move number.
>>
>>[D]rn3r1k/ppBnN1p1/2p1p3/6Np/q2bP1b1/3B4/PPP3PP/R2Q1R1K w - - 0 17
>>
>>Chessmaster 8000 says Mate in 11 in 1:05 on a PIII-600. How does everybody else
>>do?
>>
>>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>>----	----	----	----		----
>>0:00	1/3	2.36	4894		17.Rxf8+ Nxf8 18.Nf7+ Kh7 19.e5+
>>					g6 20.Qd2 Kg7 21.Rf1 Bf5 22.Nxf5+
>>					exf5
>>0:00	1/3	2.52	7750		17.Ng6+ Kg8 18.Rxf8+ Nxf8 19.Ne7+
>>					Kh8 20.Nf7+ Kh7 21.e5+ g6 22.Qd2
>>					Kg7 23.Rf1
>>0:00	1/4	2.36	21760		17.Ng6+ Kg8 18.Rxf8+ Nxf8 19.Ne7+
>>					Kh8 20.Nf7+ Kh7 21.e5+ g6 22.Qd2
>>					Kg7 23.Rf1 Bf5 24.Nxf5+ exf5
>>0:03	2/5	4.58	121477		17.Ng6+ Kg8 18.Rxf8+ Nxf8 19.Ne7+
>>					Kh8 20.Qf1 Nbd7 21.Qf7 Nf6 22.e5
>>					Bf5 23.exf6
>>0:09	2/6	6.40	372629		17.Ng6+ Kg8 18.Rxf8+ Nxf8 19.Ne7+
>>					Kh8 20.Qf1 Bf2 21.Qxf2 Nbd7 22.e5
>>					g6 23.Nxg6+ Nxg6 24.Bxg6
>>0:31	3/7	Mate14	1358318		17.Ng6+ Kg8 18.Rxf8+ Nxf8 19.Ne7+
>>					Kh8 20.Nf7+ Kh7 21.e5+ g6 22.Qd2
>>					Be3 23.Qxe3 Kg7 24.Qh6+ Kxf7 25.Bxg6+
>>					Nxg6 26.Nxg6 Qa3 27.Qh7+ Ke8 28.Qg8+
>>					Qf8 29.Qxf8+ Kd7 30.Qd8#
>>0:39	3/7	Mate12	1738578		17.Rxf8+ Nxf8 18.Nf7+ Kh7 19.e5+
>>					g6 20.Qd2 Be3 21.Qxe3 Kg7 22.Qh6+
>>					Kxf7 23.Bxg6+ Nxg6 24.Nxg6 Qa3
>>					25.Qh7+ Ke8 26.Qg8+ Qf8 27.Qxf8+
>>					Kd7 28.Qd8#
>>1:05	3/8	Mate11	2975456		17.Rxf8+ Nxf8 18.Qf1 Bf5 19.exf5
>>					Nbd7 20.fxe6 g6 21.Qf7 Nf6 22.Nxg6+
>>					Nxg6 23.Qxg6 Rf8 24.Qh6+ Kg8 25.Bh7+
>>					Kh8 26.Qxf8+ Ng8 27.Qxg8#
>>3:56	4/9	Mate11	10555931	17.Rxf8+ Nxf8 18.Qf1 Bf5 19.exf5
>>					Nbd7 20.fxe6 g6 21.Qf7 Nf6 22.Nxg6+
>>					Nxg6 23.Qxg6 Rf8 24.Nf7+ Rxf7 25.exf7
>>					Bxb2 26.f8=Q+ Ng8 27.Qfxg8#
>>
>>Here's the complete game:
>>
>>[Event "US Championship"]
>>[Site "Cambridge Springs"]
>>[Date "1988"]
>>[Round ""]
>>[White "de Firmian, N."]
>>[Black "Miles, A"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>
>>  1. e4             d6
>>  2. d4             Nf6
>>  3. Nc3            c6
>>  4. f4             Qa5
>>  5. Bd3            e5
>>  6. Nf3            Bg4
>>  7. dxe5           dxe5
>>  8. fxe5           Nfd7
>>  9. Bf4            Bb4
>> 10. O-O            O-O
>> 11. Nd5            Bc5+
>> 12. Kh1            Bd4
>> 13. e6             fxe6
>> 14. Bc7            Qa4
>> 15. Ne7+           Kh8
>> 16. Ng5            h5
>> 17. Rxf8+          Nxf8
>> 18. Qf1            Nbd7
>> 19. Qf7            Nf6
>> 20. e5             1-0
>>
>>jm
>
>
>
>John I never did see a mate in 11 but got one in 10 in 56 seconds on a 1.3 gig
>P4/128meg - all default settings.
>
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>0:00	1/3	2.36	4849		1. Rxf8+ Nxf8 2. Nf7+ Kh7 3. e5+
>					g6 4. Qd2 Kg7 5. Rf1 Bf5 6. Nxf5+
>					exf5
>0:00	1/3	2.52	7705		1. Ng6+ Kg8 2. Rxf8+ Nxf8 3. Ne7+
>					Kh8 4. Nf7+ Kh7 5. e5+ g6 6. Qd2
>					Kg7 7. Rf1
>0:00	1/4	2.36	21725		1. Ng6+ Kg8 2. Rxf8+ Nxf8 3. Ne7+
>					Kh8 4. Nf7+ Kh7 5. e5+ g6 6. Qd2
>					Kg7 7. Rf1 Bf5 8. Nxf5+ exf5
>0:01	2/5	4.58	121007		1. Ng6+ Kg8 2. Rxf8+ Nxf8 3. Ne7+
>					Kh8 4. Qf1 Nbd7 5. Qf7 Nf6 6. e5
>					Bf5 7. exf6
>0:03	2/6	6.40	373040		1. Ng6+ Kg8 2. Rxf8+ Nxf8 3. Ne7+
>					Kh8 4. Qf1 Bf2 5. Qxf2 Nbd7 6.
>					e5 g6 7. Nxg6+ Nxg6 8. Bxg6
>0:10	3/7	Mate14	1384049		1. Ng6+ Kg8 2. Rxf8+ Nxf8 3. Ne7+
>					Kh8 4. Nf7+ Kh7 5. e5+ g6 6. Qd2
>					Be3 7. Qxe3 Kg7 8. Qh6+ Kxf7 9.
>					Bxg6+ Nxg6 10. Nxg6 Qa3 11. Qh7+
>					Ke8 12. Qg8+ Qf8 13. Qxf8+ Kd7
>					14. Qd8#
>0:13	3/7	Mate13	1812464		1. Rxf8+ Nxf8 2. Nf7+ Kh7 3. e5+
>					g6 4. Qd2 Be3 5. Qxe3 Kg7 6. Qh6+
>					Kxf7 7. Bxg6+ Nxg6 8. Qxg6+ Kxe7
>					9. Bd6+ Kd8 10. Qf6+ Kc8 11. Qf8+
>					Kd7 12. Qe7+ Kc8 13. Qe8#
>0:20	3/8	Mate12	2782815		1. Rxf8+ Nxf8 2. Qf1 Bf6 3. Nf7+
>					Kh7 4. e5+ Qe4 5. Bxe4+ Bf5 6.
>					Bxf5+ exf5 7. Qxf5+ g6 8. Ng5+
>					Kh6 9. Ng8+ Kg7 10. Qxf6+ Kxg8
>					11. Qf7+ Kh8 12. Qxf8#
>0:56	4/9	Mate10	8047997		1. Rxf8+ Nxf8 2. Qf1 Bf6 3. Nf7+
>					Kh7 4. e5+ Qe4 5. Bxe4+ Bf5 6.
>					Bxf5+ g6 7. Bxg6+ Nxg6 8. Ng5+
>					Bxg5 9. Qf7+ Kh8 10. Qg8#
>3:04	4/10	Mate10	26364377	1. Rxf8+ Nxf8 2. Qf1 Bf6 3. Nf7+
>					Kh7 4. e5+ Qe4 5. Bxe4+ Bf5 6.
>					Bxf5+ g6 7. Bxg6+ Nxg6 8. Ng5+
>					Bxg5 9. Qf7+ Kh8 10. Qg8#
>

Very similar for mine (AMD Athlon 950 MHz).
The thing that is just plain ridiculous is that ChessMaster 8000 finds a mate in
9 seconds.  It boggles the mind.

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves

0:00	1/4	2.36	21725		1. Ng6+ Kg8 2. Rxf8+ Nxf8 3. Ne7+
					Kh8 4. Nf7+ Kh7 5. e5+ g6 6. Qd2
					Kg7 7. Rf1 Bf5 8. Nxf5+ exf5
0:01	2/5	4.58	121007		1. Ng6+ Kg8 2. Rxf8+ Nxf8 3. Ne7+
					Kh8 4. Qf1 Nbd7 5. Qf7 Nf6 6. e5
					Bf5 7. exf6
0:02	2/6	6.40	373040		1. Ng6+ Kg8 2. Rxf8+ Nxf8 3. Ne7+
					Kh8 4. Qf1 Bf2 5. Qxf2 Nbd7 6.
					e5 g6 7. Nxg6+ Nxg6 8. Bxg6
0:09	3/7	Mate14	1384049		1. Ng6+ Kg8 2. Rxf8+ Nxf8 3. Ne7+
					Kh8 4. Nf7+ Kh7 5. e5+ g6 6. Qd2
					Be3 7. Qxe3 Kg7 8. Qh6+ Kxf7 9.
					Bxg6+ Nxg6 10. Nxg6 Qa3 11. Qh7+
					Ke8 12. Qg8+ Qf8 13. Qxf8+ Kd7
					14. Qd8#
0:12	3/7	Mate13	1812464		1. Rxf8+ Nxf8 2. Nf7+ Kh7 3. e5+
					g6 4. Qd2 Be3 5. Qxe3 Kg7 6. Qh6+
					Kxf7 7. Bxg6+ Nxg6 8. Qxg6+ Kxe7
					9. Bd6+ Kd8 10. Qf6+ Kc8 11. Qf8+
					Kd7 12. Qe7+ Kc8 13. Qe8#
0:17	3/8	Mate12	2782815		1. Rxf8+ Nxf8 2. Qf1 Bf6 3. Nf7+
					Kh7 4. e5+ Qe4 5. Bxe4+ Bf5 6.
					Bxf5+ exf5 7. Qxf5+ g6 8. Ng5+
					Kh6 9. Ng8+ Kg7 10. Qxf6+ Kxg8
					11. Qf7+ Kh8 12. Qxf8#
0:46	4/9	Mate10	8047997		1. Rxf8+ Nxf8 2. Qf1 Bf6 3. Nf7+
					Kh7 4. e5+ Qe4 5. Bxe4+ Bf5 6.
					Bxf5+ g6 7. Bxg6+ Nxg6 8. Ng5+
					Bxg5 9. Qf7+ Kh8 10. Qg8#
2:18	4/10	Mate10	26364377	1. Rxf8+ Nxf8 2. Qf1 Bf6 3. Nf7+
					Kh7 4. e5+ Qe4 5. Bxe4+ Bf5 6.
					Bxf5+ g6 7. Bxg6+ Nxg6 8. Ng5+
					Bxg5 9. Qf7+ Kh8 10. Qg8#



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