Author: Enrique Irazoqui
Date: 16:22:44 06/01/98
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On June 01, 1998 at 11:11:30, Thorsten Czub wrote: >On June 01, 1998 at 10:23:51, Don Dailey wrote: >>I get the impression everyone's tiny world was shattered when Fritz >>took the number one spot. Isn't it time we GROW up and just >>CONSIDER the remote possibility that your favorite program (no >>matter which one it is) might not be the top program? > >Don - you simplify. >It is NOT a question of growing up. >I have fritz for a long time. I have to machines. I play the whole day >with my machines. It is not a question of ACCEPTING truth and overcome a >shock or growing. >It is the simple fact that I don't have these results. And other friends >I do have (And they do also computerchess for a long time, and they are >also programmers, and it is not chris or any other guy involved in the >vendetta business) the same problems to understand. >Nobody of them wants to tell their doubts in a public forum because they >found it under their level to discuss with enrique or moritz in the way >the matter is discussed here. >So the only guy arguing with them here is me. Since i have no problems >to transform myself into ANY level, even the meanest low level you could >expect. This is strictly a personal attack. Thankfully it is not anymore up to me to answer to this. Enrique >So the question is not, can we stand reality. >The priblem we have is: we cannot reproduce the reality other people >want to convince us. > > >>People deserve credit for their hard work. If you >>don't have absolute proof of something, ANY accusations show >>an incredible lack of class and style. You have cast so much >>doubt on this result that you effectively snatch the >>satisfaction away from people who JUST MAY deserve to have >>it. You are wrong to do this and it's incredibly selfish. > >I am also working hard. I don't have an autoplayer at all. >Never in life you will have ABSOLUTE proof. >Even in a law-suit with death penalty in US it sometimes happens that >you killed the wrong guy. How should we come to 100 % or ABSOLUTE proof >in a discussion where it is not about dead or alive ? > >It is not a question of style or class. >Thats nonsense. If we cannot reproduce the marvellous results of fritz, >we don't have a class problem but a FACT problem. >And the thing does not change with calling the other side idiots. > > >>- Don >> >>P.S. Please do not come back with "why's", why did they do >> this? Why did they do that? Because the only answer >> that will satisfy you is that THEY MUST BE CHEATING > >I see no reason for your polemic comments. >You do as if it has to do with people not able to realize the facts. >In fact it is exactly the opposite. We don't have their facts. >And we have machines too. We have software here too. >All we don't have is their results. >And we have tested programs for years now. > >You make it into a b/w love/hate debate. >I have no problems to like a program when it wins. Or to criticize a >beloved program when it fails. >I have always attacked genius, rebel, mchess or hiarcs or tiger or cstal >when it played bullshit, or when I thought this is not ok. >So it is exactly the opposite of liking or hating. > >I have attacked ed that rebel 6 and rebel7 were nearly the same, and >there WAS no big difference in playing-strength. >I have attacked mchess/marty for killer-opening-books here in public, >although anybody of you believes (even marty) i do love mchess [in fact >I do]. >But this does not stop me from saying something what I feel that is >TRUE. > >Why the hell do you make a personal thing out of it and avoke it is a >hate/love thing. It isn't. > >I don't understand why you bring the discussion back to this trivial >point of prejudice. > >If you would be a moderator in a tv-show, I would BUH now. Since I think >you throw the whole discussion back into the beginning of the show. > >If this helps really ?!? >I doubt this.
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