Author: Tony Werten
Date: 01:15:20 11/16/01
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On November 15, 2001 at 18:00:38, Theo van der Storm wrote: >>On November 15, 2001 at 06:23:19, Andrew Williams wrote: >> >>>On November 15, 2001 at 05:59:26, Tony Werten wrote: >>> >>>>On November 14, 2001 at 11:15:30, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 14, 2001 at 10:47:04, Tony Werten wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>From 5 to 11 July 2002, the 7th Computer Olympiad will be held in >>>>>Maastricht. Part of the olympiad will be the 10th WCCC. ... >>>>>>Tony >>>>> >>>>>1) You scheduled this so that travel for Americans will take place on a >>>>> major holiday. I mean, why not hold this on December 26th? >>>> >>>>July 5th is the opening of the Olympiad. Don't know when chess will start. >>>>There are over 200 countries in the world. Somebody will have an >>>>independence day during the event as well. >>>>Last year, in august, you were the only american >>>>operator.( How many were there in London ?) Now in July there is a >>>>problem which would keep all americans away ? > >Tony, >I strongly dislike that kind of reasoning and trust it is not the >general opinion within the ICCA board. Fortunately, I have my own opinions. > >1. W "all categories" CCC is not the same as W "Micro" CCC. > WCCC is usually bigger and more diverse in origin of the participants. > At the last WCCC there were around 5 - I'm not sure - American > participants and it was in Europe - yes, it was even in Germany :-) >2. Comparing the number of Europeans and Americans in a European venue > is simply unfair. > >>>>>2) This event has been held in Europe many consecutive times, which is >>>>> contrary to the ICCA charter. >>>> >>>>Face it, europe seems to be the only place where computerchess lives ( with the >>>>exception of Australia maybe ) so it's the only place where you can find >>>>sponsors. Has there been a national championship outside Europe and >>>> Australia the last 10 years ? > >That is irrelevant. This is a point where we disagree. You say irrelevant, I say it's an indication. >What matters is, that more programmers will have an >opportunity to participate in a championship at reasonable cost. >Now the Americans are slapped in the face by the additional obstacle >of spending their national holiday abroad or on an AEROplane. As I pointed out already to you by email, this might not be the case. Tony >Indeed, I'm not from their country. I live about 2 hours by car away >from Maastricht and I liked it very much there in last August! > >>>The question is, did ICCA make any attempt to find a North American sponsor? >>>Since the charter says that the championships should alternate between >>>North America and Europe, surely it behoves ICCA to try to achieve that? >>>To be clear, it seems disingenuous to say that "the americans" have not >>>organized something, when it is *ICCA* which is responsible for organizing >>>the event. >>> ... Andrew > >Precisely. >Also note, that organising tournaments is usually done by volonteers >who have busy "real" jobs to start with. Maybe some fresh American blood >is needed within the ICCA to balance the workload. You Americans should be >helping the ICCA instead of turning away! > >>Not entirely. The fact that nothing has been organised gives an indication >> how much it lives ie how easy it is to find a sponsor. >>Tony > >I don't mind you giving your opinion, but I disagree in everything you've >put forward. I think most ICCA members would concur with me and I'd rather >hear something from the organisers. > >Theo van der Storm
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