Author: Andrew Williams
Date: 03:04:03 11/16/01
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On November 15, 2001 at 18:00:38, Theo van der Storm wrote: >>On November 15, 2001 at 06:23:19, Andrew Williams wrote: >> >>>On November 15, 2001 at 05:59:26, Tony Werten wrote: >>> >>>>On November 14, 2001 at 11:15:30, Bruce Moreland wrote: >>>> >>>>>On November 14, 2001 at 10:47:04, Tony Werten wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>From 5 to 11 July 2002, the 7th Computer Olympiad will be held in >>>>>Maastricht. Part of the olympiad will be the 10th WCCC. ... >>>>>>Tony >>>>> >>>>>1) You scheduled this so that travel for Americans will take place on a >>>>> major holiday. I mean, why not hold this on December 26th? >>>> >>>>July 5th is the opening of the Olympiad. Don't know when chess will start. >>>>There are over 200 countries in the world. Somebody will have an >>>>independence day during the event as well. >>>>Last year, in august, you were the only american >>>>operator.( How many were there in London ?) Now in July there is a >>>>problem which would keep all americans away ? > >Tony, >I strongly dislike that kind of reasoning and trust it is not the >general opinion within the ICCA board. > >1. W "all categories" CCC is not the same as W "Micro" CCC. > WCCC is usually bigger and more diverse in origin of the participants. > At the last WCCC there were around 5 - I'm not sure - American > participants and it was in Europe - yes, it was even in Germany :-) >2. Comparing the number of Europeans and Americans in a European venue > is simply unfair. > >>>>>2) This event has been held in Europe many consecutive times, which is >>>>> contrary to the ICCA charter. >>>> >>>>Face it, europe seems to be the only place where computerchess lives ( with the >>>>exception of Australia maybe ) so it's the only place where you can find >>>>sponsors. Has there been a national championship outside Europe and >>>> Australia the last 10 years ? > >That is irrelevant. What matters is, that more programmers will have an >opportunity to participate in a championship at reasonable cost. >Now the Americans are slapped in the face by the additional obstacle >of spending their national holiday abroad or on an AEROplane. >Indeed, I'm not from their country. I live about 2 hours by car away >from Maastricht and I liked it very much there in last August! > >>>The question is, did ICCA make any attempt to find a North American sponsor? >>>Since the charter says that the championships should alternate between >>>North America and Europe, surely it behoves ICCA to try to achieve that? >>>To be clear, it seems disingenuous to say that "the americans" have not >>>organized something, when it is *ICCA* which is responsible for organizing >>>the event. >>> ... Andrew > >Precisely. >Also note, that organising tournaments is usually done by volonteers >who have busy "real" jobs to start with. Maybe some fresh American blood >is needed within the ICCA to balance the workload. You Americans should be >helping the ICCA instead of turning away! > Just to be clear, I'm not American, I'm from England. Getting to mainland Europe is far easier/cheaper for me than getting to America. I'm arguing about this because it seems that ICCA is alienating many of its members with its apparent policy on organizing the W(M)CCC. Andrew >>Not entirely. The fact that nothing has been organised gives an indication >> how much it lives ie how easy it is to find a sponsor. >>Tony > >I don't mind you giving your opinion, but I disagree in everything you've >put forward. I think most ICCA members would concur with me and I'd rather >hear something from the organisers. > >Theo van der Storm
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