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Subject: Re: No Winboard problems here. Crafty/Comet

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:58:48 06/02/98

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On June 02, 1998 at 10:47:02, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:

>On June 02, 1998 at 10:12:30, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 02, 1998 at 02:01:43, Komputer Korner wrote:
>>
>>>On June 02, 1998 at 00:51:08, Havergal Brian wrote:
>>>
>>>>This is part of my Winboard.ini file.  So far I've had no
>>>>crashes/problems.  Just put this in the appropriate spot with
>>>>the changes you want.
>>>>
>>>>/cp
>>>>/mg 50
>>>>/sgf wcraftyvscomet
>>>>/fcp="comet-wb.exe"
>>>>/scp="wcrafty-12_6 xboard"
>>>
>>>Since I turned pondering off, no more crashes but I still have the
>>>problem of Crafty corrupting it's book after a long natch of 40 games. I
>>>have to rebuild it's book each time. There is definitely something
>>>broken with Crafty's book code because in my latest match Crafty was out
>>>of book after 1.e4e5 2.Nf3 !!!!!!
>>>--
>>>Kpmputer Korner
>>
>>
>>lets back this trolley up a bit.  So far as I can tell, there is
>>*nothing*
>>wrong with crafty's book code.  It is *impossible* for it to corrupt the
>>book, because it never adds anything to the book at all.  If it were
>>doing
>>this, we'd be seeing *lots* of problems on the servers where we play 500
>>games
>>a day on each program...  The problem most likely lies somewhere in your
>>setup, whether you have flakey memory, or something else, is unknown.
>>But
>>I played one 330 game match yesterday crafty vs crafty with *zero*
>>problems
>>of any kind...
>>
>>Be careful of "there is definitely something broken with crafty's book
>>code."  as the evidence doesn't support that when everyone else seems to
>>be able to play crafty vs xyz with no problems...
>
>I have had a similar (the same ?) effect when playing Crafty with
>winboard. I think that there is nothing wrong with its book and book
>code. May be, KK has installed the small Crafty book as I did. With the
>default choice for "book random", Crafty only plays lines the frequency
>of which are higher than some threshold value (Bob knows better).
>Apparently, the desired frequencies can hardly be reached in the small
>book. However if you set "book random 5" instead of the default
>randomness for instance, then the threshold is chosen lower and
>variations will be found.
>May be KK has the same effect.


I had explained this danger to KK... "small book" means no useful
frequency
data to choose moves.  It is more than possible that the book is so
narrow
that after a few games it has learned that moves are bad.

This can be verified by adding "show book" to the crafty.rc file, and
then
starting crafty in a dos window (in the right directory) and then trying
the opening moves in question.  It will display *every* book move it
finds,
and will show which are flagged as unplayable "?" due to bad learned
results, no wins, or not played enough to "trust"...




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