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Subject: Re: Fritz Knowledge ?

Author: Chessfun

Date: 03:34:52 11/20/01

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On November 20, 2001 at 06:26:34, Chessfun wrote:

>On November 20, 2001 at 06:08:18, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 20, 2001 at 05:49:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On November 20, 2001 at 05:02:24, Jouni Uski wrote:
>>>
>>>>It's not so easy position: even the mighty Yace wants to play -Rd5 after
>>>>20 minutes and 300 000 000 nodes. It's not so easy to find this line:
>>>>
>>>>1.- Rd5 2. Rxd5 cxd5 3. a4 Kf6 4. b5 axb5 5. c6 bxc6 6. a5 Ke6...
>>>>
>>>>BTW is it sure, that Rd5 is losing? Can black improve?
>>>>
>>>>Jouni
>><snipped>
>>>I am not sure if Rd5 is losing at least in comp-comp game
>>>
>>>Here is a drawn position that can happen in comp-comp game
>>>many plies after the root
>>>3.a4 Kf6 4.b5 Ke6 5.c6 Kd6 6.cxb7 Kc7 7.bxa6 g5 8.h4 f5 9.Ke3 f4+ 10.Kf3 Kb8
>>>11.hxg5 hxg5 12.h3
>>
>>It leads to the following test position
>>
>>How much time does your program need to avoid axb5 and find a king move that
>>gives at least practical chances for a draw(I did not analyze it to be sure that
>>it is a draw)?
>>
>>New position
>>[D]8/1p3p2/p4kpp/1PPp4/P7/7P/5K1P/8 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:
>>
>>4...axb5 5.axb5
>>  -+  (-1.74)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>>4...h5
>>  -+  (-1.84)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>>4...g5
>>  -+  (-1.88)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>>4...Ke6
>>  -+  (-1.90)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>>4...Ke5
>>  -+  (-2.04)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>>4...Ke5 5.Ke3
>>  -+  (-1.79)   Depth: 2   00:00:04
>>4...Ke5 5.c6 g5 6.bxa6
>>  µ  (-1.32)   Depth: 3   00:00:04
>>4...Ke5 5.c6 bxc6
>>  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 3   00:00:04
>>4...axb5 5.Ke3 Ke5
>>  -+  (-1.76)   Depth: 3   00:00:04
>>4...axb5 5.axb5 Ke5 6.Ke3
>>  -+  (-1.76)   Depth: 3   00:00:04
>>4...axb5 5.axb5 Ke5 6.c6 bxc6
>>  -+  (-1.84)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
>>4...axb5 5.axb5 Ke6 6.Ke3 f5 7.c6 bxc6
>>  -+  (-1.91)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  5kN
>>4...axb5 5.axb5 Ke6 6.b6 Kd7 7.Ke3 f5 8.Kd4
>>  -+  (-1.64)   Depth: 6   00:00:04  33kN
>>4...axb5 5.axb5 Ke6 6.b6 Kd7 7.Ke3 f5 8.Kd4 Ke6
>>  -+  (-1.83)   Depth: 7   00:00:04  86kN
>>4...axb5 5.axb5 Ke6 6.b6 Kd7 7.Ke3 f5 8.Kd4 Ke6 9.c6
>>  -+  (-1.70)   Depth: 8   00:00:04  240kN
>>4...axb5 5.axb5 Ke6 6.b6 Kd7 7.Ke3 f5 8.h4 h5 9.Kd4 Ke6
>>  -+  (-1.83)   Depth: 9   00:00:05  562kN
>>4...axb5 5.axb5 Ke6 6.Ke3 f5 7.b6 Kd7 8.h4 h5 9.Kd4 Ke6 10.c6
>>  -+  (-1.70)   Depth: 10   00:00:07  1432kN
>>4...axb5 5.axb5 Ke6 6.Ke3 f5 7.Kd4 f4 8.h4 Kd7 9.h3 f3 10.Ke3 g5 11.hxg5 hxg5
>>12.Kxf3
>>  -+  (-1.88)   Depth: 11   00:00:10  3215kN
>>4...axb5 5.c6 bxc6 6.a5 b4 7.Ke3 b3 8.Kd2 d4 9.a6 d3 10.Kxd3 Ke5 11.a7 b2 12.Kc2
>>Kd6
>>  -+  (-1.51)   Depth: 12   00:00:17  7322kN
>>4...axb5 5.c6 bxc6 6.a5 b4 7.Ke3 b3 8.Kd2 d4 9.a6 b2 10.Kc2 Ke5 11.Kxb2 d3 12.a7
>>d2 13.Kc2 Kd6
>>  µ  (-1.17)   Depth: 13   00:00:24  11356kN
>>4...axb5 5.c6 bxc6 6.a5 b4 7.Ke3 b3 8.Kd2 b2 9.Kc2 Ke6 10.a6 Ke7 11.a7 b1R
>>12.a8Q h5
>>  µ  (-0.77)   Depth: 14   00:00:36  18217kN
>>4...axb5 5.c6 bxc6 6.a5 b4 7.Ke3 b3 8.Kd2 b2 9.Kc2 b1Q+ 10.Kxb1 g5 11.a6 g4
>>12.hxg4 Kg5 13.a7 Kxg4
>>  =  (0.23)   Depth: 14   00:00:37  18713kN
>>4...axb5 5.c6 bxc6 6.a5 b4 7.Ke3 b3 8.Kd2 b2 9.Kc2 d4 10.a6 d3+ 11.Kxb2 d2
>>12.Kc2 d1Q+ 13.Kxd1 Ke5
>>  ²  (0.43)   Depth: 14   00:00:41  21052kN
>>4...axb5 5.c6 bxc6 6.a5 b4 7.Ke3 b3 8.Kd2 b2 9.Kc2 Ke6 10.a6 g5 11.a7 g4 12.a8Q
>>Kf5
>>  ±  (0.83)   Depth: 15   00:01:06  34581kN
>>4...axb5 5.c6 bxc6 6.a5 b4 7.Ke3 b3 8.Kd2 g5 9.a6 g4 10.hxg4 h5 11.gxh5 c5 12.a7
>>b2 13.Kc2 b1R 14.a8Q Rd1
>>  +-  (1.83)   Depth: 15   00:01:07  35141kN
>>4...axb5 5.c6 bxc6 6.a5 b4 7.Ke3
>>  +-  (1.83)   Depth: 15   00:01:11  37456kN
>>4...axb5 5.c6 bxc6 6.a5 b4 7.Ke3 h5 8.Kd2 g5 9.a6 c5 10.a7 Kf5
>>  +-  (2.23)   Depth: 16   00:01:56  62191kN
>>4...axb5 5.c6 bxc6 6.a5 b4 7.Ke3 h5 8.Kd2 b3 9.a6 b2 10.Kc2 h4 11.a7 Kf5 12.a8Q
>>Ke4
>>  +-  (3.23)   Depth: 16   00:01:59  63931kN
>>4...axb5 5.c6 bxc6 6.a5 b4 7.Ke3 h5 8.Kd2 b3 9.a6 c5 10.a7 c4 11.a8Q Ke5 12.Qe8+
>>Kf6 13.Qd7 b2 14.Qd6+
>>  +-  (3.72)   Depth: 16   00:02:19  75285kN
>>4...Ke6 5.c6 Kd6 6.cxb7 Kc7 7.b8Q+ Kxb8 8.b6 a5 9.h4 Kb7 10.Kf3
>>  +-  (3.71)   Depth: 16   00:03:03  99101kN
>>4...Ke6 5.c6 Kd6 6.cxb7 Kc7 7.bxa6 f5 8.Ke2 g5 9.Ke3 h5 10.h4 g4 11.Kf4 d4 12.a5
>>Kb8 13.Kg5
>>  +-  (3.28)   Depth: 16   00:04:19  140272kN
>>
>>(Blass, Tel-aviv 20.11.2001)
>>
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>I think you'll find the original position after Rd5 is lost for black.
>As is the above after Ke6.
>
>From the original position.
>36. Rxd5 cxd 37. a4 Kf6 38. b5
>to yours
>Ke6 39.c6 Kd6 40.cxb7 Kc7 41.bxa6 f5 42. Ke2 g5 43. Ke3 h5 44. h4 g4
>45.

Sorry.
The line should read.
45. a5 Kb8 46. Kd4 f4 47. Kxd5


Sarah.



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