Author: Uri Blass
Date: 02:35:47 11/22/01
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On November 22, 2001 at 03:58:11, Chris Taylor wrote:
>On November 22, 2001 at 02:50:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On November 22, 2001 at 01:52:59, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>
>>>On November 22, 2001 at 01:35:49, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>1)Tiger14(13 plies) beated Deep Fritz (13 plies) 29.5-20.5 so it seems that
>>>>there is no significant diminishing returns in the nunn games.
>>>>
>>>>I do not remember exactly how much tiger earns from 1 ply at small depthes(I
>>>>remember 180 elo but I am not sure) but there seem to be similiar difference
>>>>also here.
>>>>
>>>>29.5-20.5 means 72 elo better than Fritz(13 plies) when 31.5-18.5 means 104 elo
>>>>worse than Deep Fritz
>>>>
>>>>104+72=176
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>2)one of the games was adjudicated and I am not sure if tiger(12 plies) could
>>>>win it
>>>>
>>>>Here is the relevant game again
>>>>
>>>>I saw that for some reason tiger changed it's mind from the correct move to
>>>>worse move and missed the shortest mate(the mate scores are also not correct).
>>>>
>>>>I guess that tiger could avoid the problem in regular games because tiger does
>>>>not continue to search after mate to find worse moves.
>>>>
>>>>I decided not to wait until the 50 move rule in order to see if the 50 move rule
>>>>force tiger to play better.
>>>>
>>>>[Event "pIII850, 13ply/12ply"]
>>>>[Site "tel-aviv"]
>>>>[Date "2001.11.19"]
>>>>[Round "3"]
>>>>[White "Deep Fritz"]
>>>>[Black "Chess Tiger 14.0"]
>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>[ECO "C99"]
>>>>[PlyCount "173"]
>>>>
>>>>{W=12.7 ply; 565kN/s; 7,285 TBAs
>>>>B=12.6 ply; 253kN/s; 78,361 TBAs
>>>>} 1. e4 e5
>>>>2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3
>>>>Na5 10. Bc2 c5 11. d4 Qc7 12. Nbd2 cxd4 13. cxd4 Nc6 14. Nb3 a5 15. Be3 a4 16.
>>>>Nbd2 Nd7 {0.22/12 327} 17. Rc1 {0.41/13 164} 17... Bb7 {(Qb7) 0.22/12 57} 18.
>>>>a3 {(Bd3) 0.50/13 478} 18... exd4 {0.16/12 45} 19. Nxd4 {0.50/13 54} 19... Nxd4
>>>>{0.22/12 39} 20. Bxd4 {0.44/13 126} 20... Bc6 {0.20/12 216} 21. Re3 {
>>>>(Nf1) 0.44/13 340} 21... Qb7 {0.18/12 101} 22. Rc3 {0.34/13 430} 22... Rac8 {
>>>>0.18/12 103} 23. b3 {(Qh5) 0.28/13 462} 23... axb3 {0.32/12 84} 24. Rxb3 {
>>>>(Nxb3) 0.22/13 352} 24... Rfe8 {(Nc5) -0.02/12 162} 25. a4 {0.19/13 613} 25...
>>>>b4 {-0.06/12 65} 26. Rb2 {(Nc4) 0.22/13 507} 26... d5 {(Nf8) 0.24/12 119} 27.
>>>>e5 {0.19/13 353} 27... Bf8 {(Ra8) 0.28/12 222} 28. Nf3 {(f4) 0.28/13 377} 28...
>>>>g6 {(Nb6) 0.18/12 77} 29. a5 {0.34/13 227} 29... Bb5 {(Ra8) 0.15/12 102} 30.
>>>>Qd2 {(Bb3) 0.25/13 411} 30... Ra8 {0.10/12 107} 31. Rxb4 {(Ra1) 0.16/13 224}
>>>>31... Bxb4 {-0.64/12 31} 32. Qxb4 {0.06/13 98} 32... Rac8 {-0.52/12 59} 33. Qd2
>>>>{(Qb2) 0.09/13 285} 33... Nc5 {(Qa6) -0.20/12 286} 34. Rb1 {(Nh2) 0.13/13 561}
>>>>34... Qa6 {-0.14/12 199} 35. Rb2 {(Nh2) 0.16/13 370} 35... Qc6 {
>>>>(Rc6) -0.18/12 175} 36. Nh2 {0.28/13 305} 36... h5 {(Ne4) -0.12/12 66} 37. Nf3
>>>>{0.41/13 125} 37... Ne6 {-0.22/12 44} 38. Be3 {0.34/13 108} 38... Ra8 {
>>>>(Ba6) -0.18/12 73} 39. Nd4 {(Bb6) 0.44/13 116} 39... Nxd4 {-0.04/12 19} 40.
>>>>Bxd4 {0.41/13 96} 40... Re6 {(Qc4) 0.20/12 90} 41. f4 {0.63/13 54} 41... Qc4 {
>>>>0.26/12 35} 42. f5 {(Bb6) 0.47/13 63} 42... gxf5 {(Qf1+) 0.20/12 45} 43. Rb1 {
>>>>(Bxf5) 0.41/13 212} 43... Qe2 {0.30/12 11} 44. Qxe2 {0.34/13 24} 44... Bxe2 {
>>>>0.00/12 10} 45. Kf2 {(Bxf5) 0.28/13 26} 45... Ba6 {(Bc4) -0.44/12 10} 46. Bxf5
>>>>{0.56/13 22} 46... Rc6 {-0.34/12 14} 47. Ke3 {0.56/13 38} 47... Bc8 {-0.38/12 8
>>>>} 48. Bxc8 {(g4) 0.53/13 12} 48... Rcxc8 {0.24/12 6} 49. Rb5 {0.53/13 7} 49...
>>>>Rc2 {-0.06/12 6} 50. Kf3 {(Rxd5) 0.53/13 9} 50... Ra2 {-0.32/12 7} 51. Bb6 {
>>>>0.44/13 17} 51... Rd2 {0.00/12 45} 52. h4 {(Be3) 0.34/13 48} 52... Kf8 {
>>>>(Rc8) -0.44/12 15} 53. g4 {(Ke3) 0.41/13 58} 53... hxg4+ {(Ke7) -0.53/12 20}
>>>>54. Kxg4 {0.47/13 47} 54... Ke7 {(Rd1) -0.26/12 34} 55. Kf5 {(Kf4) 0.16/13 87}
>>>>55... Rd1 {(Rd3) -0.34/12 13} 56. Be3 {0.16/13 37} 56... Rf1+ {
>>>>(Kd7) -0.38/12 33} 57. Bf4 {0.00/13 9} 57... Rc8 {-0.66/12 15} 58. Rb7+ {
>>>>(Kg5) 0.00/13 20} 58... Ke8 {-0.38/12 12} 59. Kg5 {0.00/13 16} 59... Rc6 {
>>>>(Rc4) -0.34/12 33} 60. Rb4 {(h5) 0.00/13 76} 60... Rg1+ {(Kd7) -0.98/12 33} 61.
>>>>Kf5 {(Kh5) 0.09/13 18} 61... Rc4 {(Rf1) -1.22/12 11} 62. Rxc4 {0.00/13 16}
>>>>62... dxc4 {-0.68/12 12} 63. Ke4 {-0.25/13 17} 63... Rg2 {-0.64/12 29} 64. Kd5
>>>>{(h5) -0.28/13 7} 64... Ra2 {(c3) -1.04/12 15} 65. Kxc4 {(Kd4) -0.50/13 7}
>>>>65... Ra4+ {-1.94/12 8} 66. Kb5 {-1.31/13 3} 66... Rxf4 {-3.76/12 3} 67. a6 {
>>>>-1.37/13 4} 67... Rd4 {-3.50/12 8} 68. h5 {(a7) -1.25/13 3} 68... Rd8 {
>>>>(Ke7) -3.62/12 8} 69. a7 {-1.37/13 2} 69... Kd7 {(Ke7) -4.88/12 3} 70. Kb6 {
>>>>-2.94/13 3} 70... Ke6 {-7.04/12 3} 71. h6 {-3.19/13 4} 71... Kxe5 {-8.10/12 3}
>>>>72. h7 {(Kc7) -4.06/13 6} 72... f5 {-10.48/12 2} 73. Kb7 {(Ka6) -5.09/13 5}
>>>>73... Kf6 {-11.82/12 0} 74. Kb6 {(Kc7) -6.81/13 5} 74... Kg7 {(f4) -#15/12 3}
>>>>75. a8=B {(Kc7) -6.37/13 6} 75... Rxa8 {-#10/12 1} 76. Kc5 {(h8Q+) -13.84/13 2}
>>>>76... f4 {-#9/12 2} 77. Kd4 {-14.06/13 2} 77... Re8 {(Rf8) -#9/12 2} 78. Kc5 {
>>>>(h8Q+) -#21/13 6} 78... Kh8 {-#6/12 2} 79. Kb4 {(Kd4) -#22/12 2} 79... Rc8 {
>>>>-#4/12 5} 80. Kb3 {(Kb5) -#14/12 1} 80... f3 {-#2/12 9} 81. Ka3 {(Kb4) -#6/7 0}
>>>>81... Rb8 {-#2/12 61} 82. Ka4 {-#3/6 0} 82... f2 {-#2/12 37} 83. Ka5 {-#2/4 0}
>>>>83... Rb2 {(f1Q) -#2/12 598} 84. Ka4 {-#2/4 0} 84... Rb1 {(f1Q) -#2/12 135} 85.
>>>>Ka3 {(Ka5) -#3/6 0} 85... Rb8 {(f1Q) -#2/12 618} 86. Ka4 {-#2/4 0} 86... Rb7 {
>>>>(f1Q) -#2/12 737} 87. Ka5 {adjud. -#2/4 0} 0-1
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The experiment is definitely very interesting.
>>>
>>>Could you please post again the whole set of results? I would like to make a
>>>spreadsheet of it and extract some information.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Christophe
>>
>>Unforunately
>>I do not remmeber the results that I posted.
>>I can look for the page that I wrote them or calcualte them again based on the
>>pgn that is saved in my computer but I prefer if someone else look for my posts
>>that I wrote some monthes ago.
>>
>>Uri
>
>If you can provide a clue as to the title of the post, I will search out the
>info. I just did a search for your name and got 176 pages!! If I could narrow
>the search down, it would make it a bit easier. Or send me the pgn and I will do
>the calculations!
>
>Was it on diminishing returns or similar?
>
>Chris Taylor
Some possible ideas to make the search easier:
1)search for Christophe(he replied to part of my posts and I post more than him)
I believe that jouni uski also replied to part of my posts about this and
it may do your job more easy.
2)search for the words Deep fritz or for the words Tiger14 in the title
I am sure these words were included in the title and if you can search only for
subjects that include these words it may be productive.
3)search only for posts of at least 3 monthes ago and at most 6 monthes ago.
4)If you find one post about the <=10 matches then search only posts of later
time because I included all the information about <=10 matches in one post.
I have not the pgn of the matches of small depthes on this computer and the only
way for me to send you the pgn is to copy it from another computer so I cannot
do it now but if someone is interested I can do it until tomorrow.
I also have in the relevant file other games and I need to delete them in order
to send you only the games of the match.
Uri
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