Author: Fernando Villegas
Date: 19:40:23 06/02/98
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On June 02, 1998 at 21:56:26, Detlef Pordzik wrote: >On June 02, 1998 at 21:26:53, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 02, 1998 at 19:17:36, Fernando Villegas wrote: >> >>>Hi all: >>>It seems, as Bert Seifrits has informed in his site, that SSDF people is >>>ready to go; at most they would be there until end of the year. Sure if >>>that happens a lot of people will think was due to the attacks they >>>suffered from many, but I wonder if that would be just the catalist of >>>an old, long term process. Don't you think, don't you feel or smell that >>>all this, the entire chess computer community, is in the fringe of >>>absolute boredom with things like how they are now? Aren't we all stuck >>>in a cluster of ideas and behaviours that now does not fits with current >>>realities? List of SSDF, by example, sounds to me like something full of >>>sense when advances in strenght were the relevant and dramatic issue >>>each year... Were we to get an expert level progranm this year, 1984? >>>Would we see in 1985 a 2200 elo program? Could we get in 1986 a program >>>capable of beating us half of the time? Compare that with the following >>>question: are we going to see a program with 2560 elo instead of 2540 >>>next month? >>>SSDF list and his peoolle was born in the infancy of chess comnputers >>>and so has lost hgis charm,. I imagine the people there doing the test >>>more by inerce than by love or interest. The great question has been >>>answered and the kick is no more. Maybe by the same reason, messieurs >>>les moderators, we are here writting more and more non chessic threads; >>>maybe is just a way to get out of a somewhat suffocating stuff. Or maybe >>>is just me. That's the reason I am writting this: I want to know if it >>>is just me that got deadly bore or there are more plople that share the >>>same feelings. >>>fernando >> >> >> >>not me. I have just as much fun today as I did when my program played >>its >>first move in 1968. I'm more methodocial probably, and less careless >>about >>trying too many things at once, but bored? not moi.. :) > >No, I ain't bored either, as far as chess is concerned ( how could >I...steady >goin' love affair...) >but yet, s o m e of Fernando's comments are worthy to overthink. >The major problem, for my personal understanding, is, that the same >thing - now >has happend to CC scene / industries - as everywhere else in normal >life. Nice to see that you understood what I said. Of course I am not bore of chess computer as such or i wouldn't be here saying I am, but I am somewhat bored with things like they are now. I still think that a lot of emotion has been removed by the awesome development of power of chess programs, to begin with. Confess: it is not the same playing against a program when you know in advanmce that you are going to lose 9 times of 10, if you are lucky. That, the thrill of fight, has disappeared as much you are not a IM or GM. Elser: this is not the same for programmer that for customers. The first has a higher chance to keep his pasion. And even so...i wonder what happened in the minds of Dan spracklen and Tom Bryant. Bryant told me in an inteerview that suddenly he just got more thrill from checkers progamming. The interview is in WCCR: Dan I have never contacted. Sure it would be interesting to know his feelings. fernando >There's a highly commercial aspect - one should remember this. >Including all - negative - facettes. >So we got them enthusiasts + lovers of the progs on one side, who MIGHT >see things a little single sided once in a while - >and the industry of this whole show - on the other side. > >ELVIS
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