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Subject: Re: 52 minutes

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:17:40 11/22/01

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On November 22, 2001 at 06:04:25, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 21, 2001 at 18:05:47, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>
>>On November 21, 2001 at 13:14:48, Peter Berger wrote:
>>
>>>[D]r1br4/1pq2p1p/p3pnkB/8/8/1BP2Q2/PP3PPb/R3R2K b - - 0 18 am Nd5 bm Nh5 ;id
>>>"Adams-Dreev,Wijk an Zee 1996"
>>
>>Sjeng: go
>>Middlegame phase.
>>Clearing hash...
>>Time for move : 60000000
>> 2     286   227     1103  Bd6 ??
>> 2     387   228     1509  Be5 !
>> 2     434   230     3314  Nd5 !
>> 2     434   232     5509  Nd5 Qg4+ Kxh6 Qh3+ Kg6 Qxh2 Qxh2+ Kxh2
>> 3     417   238    11568  Nd5 Rad1 Kxh6 Qh3+ Kg6 Qxh2 Qxh2+ Kxh2
>> 3     417   250    19000  Nd5 Rad1 Kxh6 Qh3+ Kg6 Qxh2 Qxh2+ Kxh2
>> 4     396   262    36245  Nd5 Re4 Kxh6 Rh4+ Kg7 Bxd5
>> 4     397   270    45483  Ng8 !
>> 4     397   282    60721  Nh5 !
>> 4     397   295    77776  Be5 !
>> 4     397   312    96682  Nd5 Re4 Kxh6 Rh4+ Kg7 Bxd5
>> 5     367   351   170118  Nd5 ??
>> 5     284   425   302456  Nd5 Bc1 Bf4 Bxd5 Bxc1 Be4+ f5 Raxc1 fxe4 Rxe4
>> 5     285   486   409997  e5 !
>> 5     301   516   478384  e5 Bc2+ e4 Bxe4+ Nxe4 Rxe4 Bf5 Rh4 Bd6
>> 6     271   521   486685  e5 ??
>> 6     173   737   850439  e5 Bc2+ e4 Bxe4+ Nxe4 Rxe4 Bd6 Rh4 Qc5 Rf1
>> 6     174   767   896098  Nh5 !
>> 6     250   813  1007082  Nh5 Bc1 f5 Bxe6 Bf4 Bxc8 Rdxc8 Re6+ Kg5 Bxf4+ Nxf4
>> 7     220   841  1052812  Nh5 ??
>> 7     221  1094  1471378  Nd5 !
>> 7     245  1418  2133912  Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Be3 h5 g3 Rf5 Qg2 h4 Qxh2 hxg3 fxg3
>> 8     215  1488  2267811  Nd5 ??
>> 8     211  2920  4912057  Nd5 g3 Kxh6 Bxd5 Rg8 Qe3+ Rg5 Be4 f5 Bf3
>> 8     211  3091  5364722  Nd5 g3 Kxh6 Bxd5 Rg8 Qe3+ Rg5 Be4 f5 Bf3
>> 9     181  3537  6365151  Nd5 ??
>> 9     182  9063 16175458  Nd5 !!
>> 9     194 10136 18001086  Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Be3 Bd6 Qg4+ Kf6 Rad1 Qa5 Kg1 Rxd1 Rxd1
>> 9     194 10138 18001129  Nd5 Bxd5 Rxd5 Be3 Bd6 Qg4+ Kf6 Rad1 Qa5 Kg1 Rxd1 Rxd1
>>10     173 23930 43215604  Nd5 Rad1 f5 Qh3 Bf4 Bxf4 Qxf4 c4 Qxf2 cxd5 exd5 Re7
>>10     173 30547 55030155  Nd5 Rad1 f5 Qh3 Bf4 Bxf4 Qxf4 c4 Qxf2 cxd5 exd5 Re7
>>11     151 58528 101184152  Nd5 Rad1 f5 Qh3 Bf4 Bxf4 Qxf4 c4 Qxf2 cxd5 exd5 Qd3
>>Qh4+ Kg1
>>11     151 75790 131344004  Nd5 Rad1 f5 Qh3 Bf4 Bxf4 Qxf4 c4 Qxf2 cxd5 exd5 Qd3
>>Qh4+ Kg1
>>12     121 136719 236880168  Nd5 ??
>>12       0 230591 401058200  Nd5 Bc1 f5 g3 Bxg3 Rg1 Nf6 Rxg3+ Ng4 Rxg4+ fxg4
>>Qxg4+ Kf7 Qh5+ Kg7 Qg5+ Kh8 Qf6+ Kg8 Qg5+ Kh8
>
>I see that sjeng only found a draw score for Nd5 and did not find the game move
>for white.
>
>If white is winning against Nd5 then the remaining question is how much time
>does sjeng need to find the win for white after Nd5(in the game white played
>Rad1 and not Bc1 in reply to Nd5).
>
>I will try to prove a positive score by letting yace to learn the game line but
>I see that yace cannot see a positive score even in the final position after
>1...Nd5 2.Rad1 f5 3.Bc1 Bd6 4.Bxd5 exd5 5.Rxd5
>
>Here is the result after more than 16 minutes of analysis:
>
>New position
>[D]r1br4/1pq4p/p2b2k1/3R1p2/8/2P2Q2/PP3PP1/2B1R2K b - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:
>
>5...Qxc3 6.Qxc3
>  +-  (7.38)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>5...Ra7
>  -+  (-1.57)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>5...h6
>  -+  (-1.65)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>5...Qg7
>  -+  (-1.66)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>5...Qc6
>  -+  (-1.68)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>5...Qc4
>  -+  (-1.75)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>5...Bd7
>  -+  (-1.83)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>5...Kg7
>  -+  (-2.00)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
>5...Kg7 6.Kg1
>  -+  (-1.77)   Depth: 2   00:00:04
>5...Kg7 6.Bg5 Rg8
>  -+  (-1.84)   Depth: 3   00:00:04
>5...Kg7 6.Bg5 Rg8 7.Kg1
>  -+  (-1.62)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
>5...Qc6 6.Rxf5 Bxf5 7.Kg1
>  -+  (-1.63)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
>5...Qc6 6.b3 Kg7 7.Kg1
>  -+  (-1.66)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
>5...Qc6 6.Qd3 a5 7.Bf4 Ra6 8.Bxd6
>  µ  (-1.35)   Depth: 5   00:00:05  74kN
>5...Kg7 6.Bg5 Rg8 7.Bd8 Rxd8 8.Rxd6
>  µ  (-1.36)   Depth: 5   00:00:05  74kN
>5...Kg7 6.Bf4 Bxf4 7.Rxd8 Qxd8 8.Qxf4
>  -+  (-1.57)   Depth: 5   00:00:05  74kN
>5...Qb6 6.Bf4 Bc5 7.g4
>  -+  (-1.58)   Depth: 5   00:00:05  155kN
>5...Qb6 6.Kg1 Kg7 7.Bg5 Rg8
>  -+  (-1.60)   Depth: 5   00:00:05  155kN
>5...Qb6 6.b3 Kg7 7.Bg5 Rg8 8.Kg1
>  -+  (-1.47)   Depth: 6   00:00:06  538kN
>5...Kg7 6.Bf4 Bxf4 7.Rxd8 Qxd8 8.Rd1
>  -+  (-1.48)   Depth: 6   00:00:06  571kN
>5...Kg7 6.Qd3 Bf4 7.Rxd8 Bxc1
>  -+  (-1.47)   Depth: 6   00:00:06  571kN
>5...Qb6 6.b3 Kg7 7.Bg5 Rg8 8.Kg1
>  -+  (-1.47)   Depth: 6   00:00:06  571kN
>5...a5 6.Qd3 Be7 7.Rxe7 Rxd5 8.Bf4
>  -+  (-1.48)   Depth: 6   00:00:07  1018kN
>5...a5 6.Qh3 Bf8 7.Bf4 Qb6 8.Be3
>  -+  (-1.48)   Depth: 6   00:00:07  1018kN
>5...a5 6.Red1 Ra6 7.Bf4 Kf6 8.Be5+ Kf7 9.Qh5+ Kg8 10.Bf6
>  -+  (-1.45)   Depth: 7   00:00:09  1883kN
>5...a5 6.Red1 Ra6 7.Bf4 Bxf4 8.Rxd8 Qc6 9.Qxc6+ Kf7
>  µ  (-1.05)   Depth: 8   00:00:12  3194kN
>5...a5 6.Red1 Ra6 7.Bf4 Bxf4 8.Rxd8 Rd6 9.R8xd6+ Bxd6 10.Qd5
>  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 8   00:00:13  3612kN
>5...Qb6 6.Qh3 h5 7.Rxd6+ Rxd6 8.Bf4 Kf7 9.Qxh5+ Rg6 10.Qh7+ Rg7 11.Re6
>  ³  (-0.51)   Depth: 8   00:00:16  4947kN
>5...Qb6 6.Qh3 h5 7.Qh4 Rh8 8.Red1 Bc7 9.Kg1
>  µ  (-1.05)   Depth: 8   00:00:17  5317kN
>5...Rg8 6.Qd3 Bf4 7.Rd6+ Qxd6 8.Re5 Bxe5 9.Kg1
>  µ  (-1.06)   Depth: 8   00:00:22  7519kN
>5...Rg8 6.Qe3 Kf7 7.Qh6 Bf8 8.Qxh7+ Rg7 9.Qh5+ Kg8 10.Bh6 Rh7
>  µ  (-1.15)   Depth: 8   00:00:24  8254kN
>5...Rg8 6.Qe3 Kf7 7.Qh6 Bf8 8.Qxh7+ Rg7 9.Qh5+ Kg8 10.Bh6 Qc6 11.Bxg7
>  µ  (-0.91)   Depth: 9   00:00:37  13342kN
>5...Rg8 6.Qe3 Kf7 7.Qh6 Bf8 8.Qxh7+ Rg7 9.Qh5+ Kg8 10.Bh6 Re7 11.Qg6+ Bg7
>12.Rxe7
>  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 10   00:01:29  34189kN
>5...Rg8 6.Qe3 Kf7 7.Qh3 Qc6 8.Rxf5+ Bxf5 9.Qxf5+ Kg7 10.Be3 Raf8 11.Qg5+ Kh8
>12.Bd4+ Be5 13.Bxe5+ Rf6 14.Bxf6+ Qxf6 15.Qxf6+ Rg7
>  ³  (-0.55)   Depth: 11   00:02:24  55071kN
>5...Rg8 6.Qe3 Kf7 7.Qh3 Qc6 8.Rxf5+ Bxf5 9.Qxf5+ Kg7 10.Be3 Kh8 11.Bd4+ Rg7
>12.Bxg7+ Kxg7 13.Qg5+ Kf7 14.Qh5+
>  ³  (-0.26)   Depth: 11   00:03:52  92855kN
>5...Bf8 6.Bf4 Qxf4 7.Qxf4 Rxd5 8.Qg3+ Kf7 9.Kg1
>  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 11   00:06:55  170552kN
>5...Bf8 6.Bf4 Qxf4 7.Qxf4 Rxd5 8.Qf3 Rd6 9.Re8 Rf6 10.Qg3+ Kf7 11.Qe5 Kg6
>  ³  (-0.69)   Depth: 11   00:07:43  190316kN
>5...Bf8 6.Bf4 Qxf4 7.Qxf4 Rxd5 8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kh6 10.f4 Bg7 11.Qxd8 Be6
>12.Rxe6+ Kh5
>  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 12   00:08:17  203467kN
>5...Bf8 6.Bf4 Qxf4 7.Qxf4 Rxd5 8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Qh8+ Kf7 11.Qxh7+ Bg7
>12.Qh5+ Kf8 13.Kg1 Bd7 14.Qh7
>  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 12   00:11:16  277886kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-aviv 22.11.2001)

some more analysis

5...Bf8 6.Bf4 Qxf4 7.Qxf4 Rxd5 8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Qh8+ Kg6 11.Qg8+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13   00:22:13  543806kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 22.11.2001)

I gave yace the position after 5...Bf8 6.Bf4 Qxf4 7.Qxf4 Rxd5 and I get the
following:

New position
r1b2b2/1p5p/p5k1/3r1p2/5Q2/2P5/PP3PP1/4R2K w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

8.Qxf5+ Bxf5
  -+  (-10.52)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Re8 Rxe8 11.Qxh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Re8 Rxe8 11.Qxh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Re8 Rxe8 11.Qxh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Re8 Rxe8 11.Qxh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Re8 Rxe8 11.Qxh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  6kN
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Re8 Rxe8 11.Qxh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  17kN
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Re8 Rxe8 11.Qxh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  58kN
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Re8 Rxe8 11.Qxh7
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  97kN
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Qg5+ Kxg5 11.Re3
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  218kN
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Qh8+ Kg6 11.Qg8+ Kf6 12.Qh8+ Kg6 13.Qg8+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 10   00:00:05  2176kN
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Qh8+ Kg6 11.Qg8+
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 11   00:00:25  9688kN
8.Qc4 Rd8 9.Qg8+ Kf6 10.Qxh7 Bd7 11.Qh4+ Kg6 12.Qg3+ Kf6 13.Qc7 b5 14.Rd1 Rac8
15.Qb6+ Kg5 16.Qxa6 Be8 17.Rd4
  =  (0.08)   Depth: 14   00:18:05  386893kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 22.11.2001)

Yace does not see a win for white but at least it can see a small advantage for
white.



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