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Subject: Re: hard positions in ECM-GCP

Author: Miguel A. Ballicora

Date: 21:56:08 11/25/01

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On November 25, 2001 at 14:04:44, Ren Wu wrote:

>previous message was at
>http://www.icdchess.com/forums/1/message.shtml?198767
>
>At one hour per move, i got a few more right, these are
>
>+ECM.1131  2227
>+ECM.1229  2340
>+ECM.1376   413
>+ECM.1380  1451
>+ECM.1403   711
>+ECM.1617  2375
>
>ECM.1254 turn out to be a simple one, my program has a bug to get the right bm.
>
>These are 9 positions left unsolved
>
>2k4r/1pp2ppp/p1p1bn2/4N3/1q1rP3/2N1Q3/PPP2PPP/R4RK1 w - - bm Nd5; id "ECM.952";
>r1bq1rk1/pp2bp1p/2p2np1/3p2B1/3P4/2NQ2N1/PPP2PPP/4RRK1 w - - bm Rxe7; id
>"ECM.1068";
>2r2rk1/1p1q1ppp/1p3n2/3p1N2/4n3/1N3Q2/PPP2PPP/R2R2K1 w - - bm Rxd5; id
>"ECM.1134";
>2kr3r/pp3p1p/2b1p3/q3Q3/5P2/2P1B3/P1P3PP/1R3RK1 b - - bm Rhg8; id "ECM.1335";
>r1b2rk1/pp4bp/2p3p1/4q2n/NQPN1p1P/1P5n/P3PPB1/2BRRK2 b - - bm f3; id "ECM.1438";
>2r2rk1/pp2pp1p/2np2p1/q4P2/2PBP1b1/2N5/PP1Q2PP/R4RK1 w - - bm h3; id "ECM.1527";
>1k2b3/4bpp1/p2pp1P1/1p3P2/2q1P3/4B3/PPPQN2r/1K1R4 w - - bm f6; id "ECM.1547";
>r1b2r1k/ppppq1pp/2n1n3/6N1/2B2P2/4B3/PPP3PP/R2Q1RK1 w - - bm Nxh7; id
>"ECM.1612";
>2rq1rk1/pp1bnpbp/4p1p1/3pP1N1/3P2Q1/2PB4/P4PPP/R1B1R1K1 w - - bm Nxh7; id
>"ECM.1622";
>
>[D]2r2rk1/pp2pp1p/2np2p1/q4P2/2PBP1b1/2N5/PP1Q2PP/R4RK1 w - - bm h3; id
>"ECM.1527";
>10.   171  15.9 10932131  h2h3 c6d4 d2d4 e7e5 d4d6 f8d8 d6f6 a5c5 g1h1 d8d6 f6g5
>11.   172  17.9 12312775  h2h3 c6d4 d2d4 e7e5 d4d6 c8d8 d6f6 a5c5 g1h1 d8d6 f6g5
>11.   172  20.9 14340184  h2h3 c6d4 d2d4 e7e5 d4d6 c8d8 d6f6 a5c5 g1h1 d8d6 f6g5
>g4h3 g2h3
>12.   167  26.2 17942778  h2h3 c6d4 d2d4 e7e5 d4d3 g6f5 h3g4 f5g4 f1f2 a5c5 c3d5
>12.   168  45.2 29687393  d2h6 f7f6 f5g6 h7g6 h6g6 g8h8 d4f6 e7f6 g6g4 f6f5 e4f5
>12.   207  76.9 47441585  d2h6 c6d4 f5f6 d4e2 g1h1 e2g3 h2g3 a5h5 h6h5 g4h5 f6e7
>12.   207  78.7 48536671  d2h6 c6d4 f5f6 d4e2 g1h1 e2g3 h2g3 a5h5 h6h5 g4h5 f6e7
>f8e8 c3d5 c8c4 d5f6 g8h8 f6e8
>13.   217 102.0 62193745  d2h6 c6d4 f5f6 d4e2 g1h1 e2g3 h2g3 a5h5 h6h5 g4h5 f6e7
>13.   217 131.7 79160588  d2h6 c6d4 f5f6 d4e2 g1h1 e2g3 h2g3 a5h5 h6h5 g4h5 f6e7
>f8e8 c3d5 g8g7 a1c1 a7a5 c4c5 g7f7
>14.   270 408.5 235850922  d2h6 c6d4 c3d5 f8e8 f5f6 d4e6 f6e7 f7f5 d5f6 g8f7
>f6g4 a5b6 f1f2 e8h8 e4f5 g6f5
>15.   259 758.5 433231499  d2h6 c6d4 c3d5 f8e8 f5f6 d4e6 f6e7 f7f5 b2b4 a5a4
>d5f6 g8f7 f6g4 e8e7 h6h7 e6g7 e4f5 g6f5
>16.   267 1309.4 732678979  d2h6 c6d4 c3d5 f8e8 f5f6 d4e6 f6e7 f7f5 d5f6 g8f7
>f6g4 a5b6 f1f2 c8c4 h6h7 e6g7 g4h6 f7f6 e4f5 g6f5 h6g8 f6f7 h2h4
>
>Is d2h6 better than h3?

This position should be eliminated. Qh6 is probably a cook (Peter Berger posted
some time ago that Bringer sticks with it) but before I started to analyze it
I found that b4 wins too. The proof is deeper but it wins, we discussed it
a little while ago.

Regards,
Miguel


>
>[D]1k2b3/4bpp1/p2pp1P1/1p3P2/2q1P3/4B3/PPPQN2r/1K1R4 w - - bm f6; id "ECM.1547";
>10.   117   6.5  4663745  f5f6 h2e2 f6g7 e2d2 e3d2 c4e2 b1c1 e2e4 g7g8
>11.   147   7.7  5580161  f5f6 h2e2 f6g7 e2d2 e3d2 f7g6 g7g8 c4c8 g8g7 c8c7 d2e3
>11.   147  16.5 11640178  f5f6 h2e2 f6g7 e2d2 e3d2 f7g6 g7g8 c4c8 g8g7 c8c7 d2e3
>12.   142  19.8 13835059  f5f6 h2e2 f6g7 e2d2 e3d2 f7g6 g7g8 c4c8 g8g7 c8c7 g7h8
>12.   143  84.5 50483036  d2a5 c4e4 f5f6 g7f6 a5b6 b8c8 b6a6 e4b7 a6b7 c8b7 g6g7
>12.   162 126.0 73715295  d2a5 e8c6 a5a6 c6e4 e2c3 e4c2 b1a1 c2d1 c3b5 c4b5 a6b5
>12.   162 126.3 73911466  d2a5 e8c6 a5a6 c6e4 e2c3 e4c2 b1a1 c2d1 c3b5 c4b5 a6b5
>b8c8 e3c1 f7g6 f5g6
>13.   163 227.0 130055059  d2a5 e8c6 a5a6 c6e4 e2c3 f7g6 a6a7 b8c8 a7e7 e4c2
>b1a1 c2d1 f5e6 d1f3 e7f8
>14.   153 797.3 425328441  d2a5 e8c6 e2c3 c6e4 g6f7 e4c2 b1a1 b5b4 a5b6 b8c8
>e3g5 b4c3 g5e7 c3b2 b6b2 h2h8 d1d6
>15.   169 1888.9 964417233  d2a5 e8c6 e2c3 c6e4 g6f7 e6e5 a5a6 e4b7 a6b6 b8c8
>d1d6 c4c3 b2c3 h2h1 e3c1
>
>Again is d2a5 a better move?
>
>Ren.



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