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Subject: Re: Intelligent software, please

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 02:30:34 11/26/01

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On November 25, 2001 at 15:14:16, Victor Fernandez wrote:

>On November 25, 2001 at 13:37:09, Mike S. wrote:
>
>>The number of types of positions and ideas chess programs don't handle well, is
>>shrinking rapidly IMO. Do you have examples?
>
>Hi Mike !
>
>Yes, an example: an ending with few pieces .
>
>Kotov-Botvinnik
>
>8/8/4b1p1/2Bp3p/5P1P/1pK1Pk2/8/8 b - - 0 1
>
>The correct move is ...g5 !!! Few programs play this.
>
>Regards,
>
>  Victor

yace after learning

New position
8/8/4b1p1/2Bp3p/5P1P/1pK1Pk2/8/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

1...b2 2.Kxb2
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  2kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  4kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  10kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 9   00:00:00  24kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 10   00:00:00  49kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 11   00:00:00  99kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 12   00:00:00  201kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 13   00:00:00  421kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 14   00:00:01  965kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Be7+ Kg3 6.Bd6+ Kg2 7.Be7 Kh3 8.Kb2 Kg4
9.g7 h4 10.d5 Bxd5 11.Bb4
  -+  (-2.05)   Depth: 15   00:00:03  1974kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 26.11.2001)
It may be interesting to give the top programs of today many hours to analyze in
order to find g5 or d4+(it is only tactics and I expect the top programs of
today to find g5 or d4+ faster).

It may be also interesting if yace with only material evaluation and learning
can prove at least 2 pawns advantage by 1...g5(I believe that it can)

Uri



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