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Subject: Re: Intelligent software, please (yace without learning solved it)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 00:35:48 11/27/01

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On November 25, 2001 at 15:14:16, Victor Fernandez wrote:

>On November 25, 2001 at 13:37:09, Mike S. wrote:
>
>>The number of types of positions and ideas chess programs don't handle well, is
>>shrinking rapidly IMO. Do you have examples?
>
>Hi Mike !
>
>Yes, an example: an ending with few pieces .
>
>Kotov-Botvinnik
>
>8/8/4b1p1/2Bp3p/5P1P/1pK1Pk2/8/8 b - - 0 1
>
>The correct move is ...g5 !!! Few programs play this.
>
>Regards,
>
>  Victor

You can see that yace can find g5 in less than 2 hours(d4+ is probably also
winning but g5 is more simple because after d4+ white can try to defend by Bxd4
g5 hxg5)

yace was slowed down by a significant factor in the first 2 minutes

Can Wchess on p800 find g5 in less than 2 hours?


New position
[D]8/8/4b1p1/2Bp3p/5P1P/1pK1Pk2/8/8 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

1...b2 2.Kxb2
  =  (0.05)   Depth: 1   00:00:09
1...d4+ 2.Bxd4
  =  (-0.15)   Depth: 1   00:00:09
1...Kg3
  µ  (-1.02)   Depth: 1   00:00:09
1...Kg3 2.Be7
  µ  (-1.04)   Depth: 2   00:00:09
1...Kg3 2.Be7 Kf3
  µ  (-1.09)   Depth: 3   00:00:09
1...Kg3 2.Be7 Kf2 3.Bc5
  µ  (-1.04)   Depth: 4   00:00:09
1...Kg3 2.Be7 d4+ 3.exd4 Kxf4
  µ  (-1.15)   Depth: 5   00:00:11  2kN
1...Kg3 2.Kxb3 d4+ 3.Kc2 dxe3 4.Kd3 Kxh4 5.Kxe3
  µ  (-1.16)   Depth: 6   00:00:14  8kN
1...Kg3 2.Bd4 Kxh4 3.Kxb3 g5 4.Kc2 g4 5.Kd3
  µ  (-1.13)   Depth: 7   00:00:22  23kN
1...Kg3 2.Bd4 Kxh4 3.Kxb3 g5 4.Kc3 g4 5.Bf6+ Kg3
  µ  (-1.18)   Depth: 8   00:00:52  55kN
1...Kg3 2.Kxb3 d4+ 3.Kc2 dxe3 4.Kd3 Kxh4 5.Kxe3 Kg4 6.Ke4 h4
  µ  (-1.18)   Depth: 9   00:01:40  142kN
1...Kg3 2.Kxb3 d4+ 3.Kc2 dxe3 4.Kd3 Kxh4 5.Kxe3 Kg4 6.Ke4 h4 7.Bd4
  µ  (-1.19)   Depth: 10   00:01:46  263kN
1...Kg3 2.Kxb3 d4+ 3.Kc2 dxe3 4.Kd3 Kxh4 5.Kxe3 Kg4 6.Ke4 h4 7.Ke5 Bc4
  µ  (-1.17)   Depth: 11   00:01:47  699kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7 d4+ 3.exd4 Kxf4 4.Kb2 Ke4 5.Bc5 Bd5 6.Kc3 Kf3 7.Bd6 Ke3
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 12   00:01:48  1542kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7 d4+ 3.exd4 Kxf4 4.Kb2 Ke4 5.Kc3 Bd5 6.Bg5 Kf3 7.Bc1
  µ  (-1.20)   Depth: 13   00:01:51  2742kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7 d4+ 3.exd4 Kxf4 4.Bg5+ Ke4 5.Bc1 Kf3 6.Bg5 Bc4 7.Bc1 Bd5 8.Kb4 Kg4
9.Bg5 Kf5 10.Bf4
  µ  (-1.19)   Depth: 14   00:01:57  6281kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7 d4+ 3.exd4 Kxf4 4.Bg5+ Ke4 5.Bc1 Kf3 6.Bg5 Bf7 7.Kd3 Bd5
  µ  (-1.20)   Depth: 15   00:02:08  12766kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7 d4+ 3.exd4 Kxf4 4.Bg5+ Ke4 5.Bc1 Kf3 6.Bg5 Bf7 7.Kd3 Bd5 8.Kc3 Ke4
9.Bh6 Kf5 10.Bd2 Ke4 11.Bg5
  µ  (-1.19)   Depth: 16   00:02:30  25514kN
1...Bf7 2.Be7
  µ  (-1.20)   Depth: 16   00:02:52  37401kN
1...Bf7 2.Bd4 Kg3 3.Bf6 d4+ 4.exd4 Kxf4 5.Bg5+ Ke4 6.Bd2 Bd5 7.Bg5 b2 8.Kxb2 Kf5
  µ  (-1.19)   Depth: 16   00:02:56  39794kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7 d4+ 3.exd4 Kxf4 4.Bg5+ Ke4 5.Bc1 Kf3 6.Bg5 Bf7 7.Kd3 Bd5 8.Kc3 Ke4
9.Bh6 Kf5 10.Bd2 Ke4 11.Bg5
  µ  (-1.19)   Depth: 16   00:02:56  39794kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7 Kf2 3.Bc5 Bf7
  µ  (-1.20)   Depth: 17   00:03:38  61334kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7 Kf2 3.Bc5 Bf7 4.Kd2 Kg3 5.Be7 d4 6.exd4 Kxf4 7.Kd3 Bc4+ 8.Kd2
  µ  (-1.20)   Depth: 18   00:05:21  116323kN
1...Bf7 2.Bd4 Kg3 3.Bf6 d4+ 4.exd4 Kxf4 5.Bg5+ Ke4 6.Bf6
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 18   00:05:52  132355kN
1...Bf7 2.Bd4 Kg3 3.Bf6 d4+ 4.exd4 Kxf4
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 18   00:05:58  135258kN
1...Bf7 2.Kd2 Kg3 3.Be7
  µ  (-1.19)   Depth: 19   00:09:31  247369kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7
  µ  (-1.20)   Depth: 19   00:10:52  287027kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7 Kf2 3.Bc5 Kf3 4.Kd2 Bf7 5.Kc3 Be6 6.Kd2
  µ  (-1.20)   Depth: 19   00:11:51  318355kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7 d4+ 3.exd4 Kxf4 4.Kd2
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 20   00:21:20  605330kN
1...Kg3 2.Be7 Kg2 3.Kd2 Kf3 4.Bc5 Kg3 5.Be7 d4 6.exd4 Kxf4 7.Kc3 Ke4 8.Kd2
  µ  (-1.20)   Depth: 21   00:39:58  1173487kN
1...d4+ 2.Bxd4 g5 3.hxg5 Bf5 4.g6 Bxg6 5.Bf6 Bf7 6.Kd2 Kg3 7.Ke2 h4 8.e4
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 21   01:05:51  1919166kN
1...d4+ 2.Bxd4 g5 3.hxg5 Bf5 4.e4 Bxe4 5.f5 Bxf5 6.Kxb3 h4 7.Kc3 Kf4 8.Bf6 Be6
  µ  (-1.21)   Depth: 21   01:13:56  2152094kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.Ba3 Kg5 6.g7 Kg6 7.Kb4 h4 8.d5 Bxd5
9.Kc5 Kxg7 10.Kd6
  µ  (-1.22)   Depth: 21   01:40:15  2884604kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3
  µ  (-1.22)   Depth: 21   01:40:51  2902558kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3 4.g6 Kxh4 5.g7 Kg4 6.Bd6 h4 7.Kb2 h3 8.Kc3 Kf3
9.Kd3 Kg2 10.g8Q+ Bxg8 11.Kd2
  -+  (-1.62)   Depth: 22   02:47:20  401875kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.exd4 Kg3
  -+  (-1.62)   Depth: 22   02:48:29  430633kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.Bxd4 Kg3 4.Kd3 Kxh4 5.Ke2 Kxg5 6.Kf2 h4 7.Kg1 Bg4 8.Bb2 h3
9.Bd4 Kf5 10.Kh2 Ke4 11.Kh1 Kd3 12.Kh2 Bf5
  -+  (-1.70)   Depth: 23   05:17:48  113359kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.Bxd4 Kg3 4.Kd3 Kxh4 5.Ke2 Kxg5 6.Kf2 h4 7.Kg1 Kf5 8.Bb2 h3
9.Bd4 Ke4 10.Kf2 Kd3 11.Bc5 b2 12.Kg1
  -+  (-2.10)   Depth: 24   10:07:08  3285542kN
1...g5 2.fxg5 d4+ 3.Bxd4 Kg3
  -+  (-2.10)   Depth: 24   10:09:57  3357941kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 27.11.2001)

Uri



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