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Subject: Re: Eduard Nemeth's wins against Fritz are fake :Some hard Evidence

Author: Jeroen van Dorp

Date: 15:09:38 11/27/01

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On November 27, 2001 at 17:15:07, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:

>Earlier Mr Nemeth had the following win against FRITZ6
>1.e4 d5 2.exd5 h5 3.Bb5+ c6 4.dxc6 Nxc6 5.Nf3 Nh6 6.Nc3 g6 7.0-0 Bg4 8.h3 e6
>9.hxg4 hxg4 10.Ne5 Qh4 11.g3 Qh3 12.Nd5 Ng8 13.Bxc6+ bxc6 14.Nc7+ Ke7 15.Nd5+
>cxd5 16.Nxg6+ fxg6 17.d4 Qh1#.
>          The problem with this game is move number 6;that is it impossible to
>get Fritz6 to actually play 6.Nc3 ;it always plays 6.d4.


[D]r1bqkb1r/pp2ppp1/2n4n/1B5p/8/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 6:

6.Bxc6+ bxc6
  ±  (0.97)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
6.0-0!
  +-  (1.59)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
6.0-0 Bg4
  +-  (1.41)   Depth: 2/6   00:00:00
6.Ne5!
  +-  (1.44)   Depth: 2/7   00:00:00
6.Ne5 Qb6
  +-  (1.47)   Depth: 2/13   00:00:00
6.Ne5--
  ±  (1.16)   Depth: 3/15   00:00:00  1kN
6.Ne5
  ±  (1.16)   Depth: 3/15   00:00:00  1kN
6.0-0!
  ±  (1.19)   Depth: 3/15   00:00:00  1kN
6.0-0 a6 7.Bc4
  +-  (1.53)   Depth: 3/15   00:00:00  1kN
6.0-0 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.d4
  +-  (1.44)   Depth: 4/12   00:00:00  2kN
6.0-0 a6 7.Bc4 b5 8.Bb3
  +-  (1.41)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00  5kN
6.Nc3!
  +-  (1.44)   Depth: 5/17   00:00:00  9kN
6.Nc3 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.d3 Bg4 9.0-0
  +-  (1.44)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:00  22kN
6.Nc3 a6 7.Bc4 e5 8.0-0 Bg4 9.d3
  +-  (1.44)   Depth: 7/18   00:00:00  57kN
6.d4!
  +-  (1.47)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:00  194kN
6.d4 a6 7.Be2 Bg4 8.d5 Nb4 9.Nc3 e6
  +-  (1.41)   Depth: 8/28   00:00:01  449kN
6.Nc3!
  +-  (1.44)   Depth: 8/28   00:00:01  487kN
6.Nc3 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.d3 Qd6 9.0-0 e5 10.Ne4 Qd5
  +-  (1.41)   Depth: 9/24   00:00:02  698kN
6.Nc3 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.d3 Rb8 9.0-0 Nf5 10.Ne5 Nd4
  +-  (1.50)   Depth: 10/29   00:00:06  2447kN
6.Nc3 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.d3 Rb8 9.0-0 Nf5 10.Re1 Qd6
  +-  (1.47)   Depth: 11/29   00:00:09  4050kN
6.Nc3 Qc7 7.d3 a6 8.Nd5 Qa5+ 9.Bd2 Qd8 10.Bc4 Be6
  +-  (1.44)   Depth: 12/34   00:00:48  22191kN
6.Nc3 Qc7 7.d3 Bf5 8.0-0 0-0-0 9.Re1 Bg4 10.Be3 Nf5
  +-  (1.44)   Depth: 13/42   00:01:55  55148kN



>also choose 6.d4 in this particular position.However the most shocking example
>in my opinion is the game given the Title "THE MORNING DANCE" it is played
>at a time control of Blitz in 30 for each side.It begins with
>1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 Nc6 4.Qe3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Bd2 0-0 7.Bc4 Bxc3
>8.Bxc3 Nxe4 9.0-0-0 Nxc3 10.Qxc3 Qg5+ 11.Rd2 Qxg2 12.Bd5 Qf1+ 13.Rd1 Qxf2
>14.Nh3 Qf5 15.Rhf1 Qe5 16.Qc4 Qe3+ 17.Kb1 Qxh3?? (black lost on move 26)
>17....Qxh3??? is aBlunder the kind that bug free programs dont make.I do not
>own fritz7 so a direct testing like in the previous games was not available to
>me.The position was tested with the program ZARKOV 2.6 an old  program from
>1990 A program Vastly inferior to any version of Fritz (Current ssdf rating
>only 1833) .Not even for a SPLIT SECOND does the program even Consider
>17...Qxh3??


[D]r1b2rk1/pppp1ppp/2n5/3B4/2Q5/4q2N/PPP4P/1K1R1R2 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 6:

17...Qxh3!
  -+  (-3.34)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
17...Qxh3 18.Bxf7+
  -+  (-4.19)   Depth: 1/6   00:00:00
17...Qxh3 18.Bxf7+ Kh8
  -+  (-4.19)   Depth: 2/5   00:00:00
17...Qxh3 18.Rxf7 Rxf7 19.Bxf7+ Kh8
  -+  (-4.19)   Depth: 3/12   00:00:00  1kN
17...Qxh3 18.Rxf7 Rxf7 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 20.Qf4
  -+  (-4.19)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00  2kN
17...Qxh3--
  -+  (-3.88)   Depth: 5/14   00:00:00  3kN
17...Qxh3 18.Bxf7+ Kh8 19.Be6 Rxf1 20.Rxf1 Qxf1+ 21.Qxf1 dxe6
  -+  (-3.66)   Depth: 5/16   00:00:00  6kN
17...Qxh3--
  -+  (-3.34)   Depth: 6/13   00:00:00  12kN
17...Qxh3 18.Bxf7+ Kh8 19.Be6 Qxf1 20.Rxf1 Rxf1+
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 6/16   00:00:00  17kN
17...a6!
  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 6/17   00:00:00  31kN
17...a6 18.Bxf7+ Kh8 19.Bd5 Re8 20.Nf4 b5
  µ  (-1.09)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  58kN
17...Ne5!
  µ  (-1.13)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  75kN
17...Ne5 18.Qxc7 d6 19.Nf2 Qc5 20.Qe7
  µ  (-1.22)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  82kN
17...Kh8!
  µ  (-1.25)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  110kN
17...Kh8 18.Qh4 f6 19.Ng5 h6 20.Nf7+ Kh7 21.Be4+ Kg8
  -+  (-1.50)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  168kN
17...d6!
  -+  (-1.53)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  194kN
17...Nd8!
  -+  (-1.56)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  238kN
17...Nd8 18.Rf3 Qb6 19.Ng5 Ne6 20.Nxe6 dxe6
  -+  (-1.81)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  258kN
17...Nd8 18.Qh4 Ne6 19.Rde1 Qd4 20.Be4 f5
  -+  (-1.84)   Depth: 7/21   00:00:01  337kN
17...Nd8--
  -+  (-1.53)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:01  450kN
17...Nd8 18.Rde1 Qxh3 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 20.Bd5 Rxf1 21.Rxf1 Ne6
  µ  (-1.28)   Depth: 8/21   00:00:01  483kN
17...d6!
  µ  (-1.31)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:01  598kN
17...d6 18.Rxf7 Rxf7 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 20.Nf4 Qf2 21.Bd5 Ne5 22.Qe4
  -+  (-1.44)   Depth: 8/23   00:00:01  723kN
17...d6 18.Rxf7 Rxf7 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 20.Nf4 Qf2 21.Bd5 Bd7 22.Bxc6
  -+  (-1.44)   Depth: 9/24   00:00:03  1725kN
17...d6 18.Rxf7 Rxf7 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 20.Nf4 Qf2 21.Bd5 Bd7 22.Be6
  -+  (-1.41)   Depth: 10/26   00:00:07  3538kN
17...d6 18.Rde1 Qd2 19.Ng5 Bf5 20.Ne4 Bxe4 21.Bxf7+ Kh8
  -+  (-1.41)   Depth: 11/26   00:00:16  9189kN
17...d6 18.Rde1 Qd2 19.Ng5 Bf5 20.Ne4 Bxe4 21.Bxf7+ Kh8 22.Qxe4
  -+  (-1.41)   Depth: 12/30   00:00:34  20627kN

(from the FEN string,so the move number not corresponding)


Analysis by Shredder 5.32:

1...Qxh3 2.Bxc6 bxc6 3.Qxf7+ Rxf7
  -+  (-2.47)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1...Qxh3 2.Rxf7
  -+  (-3.06)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8
  -+  (-4.20)   Depth: 1/2   00:00:00
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8
  -+  (-4.20)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qc5
  -+  (-4.16)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
1...Qxh3 2.Bxc6 dxc6 3.Rxf7
  -+  (-4.41)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qe2 d6
  -+  (-4.54)   Depth: 4/8   00:00:00
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qe2 d6 4.c3
  -+  (-4.58)   Depth: 5/10   00:00:00
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qf4 d6 4.Rf3 Qh6
  -+  (-4.78)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  13kN
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Bd5 Rxf1 4.Rxf1 h6 5.Qf4
  -+  (-4.53)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:00  36kN
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Bd5 Rf5 4.Qxc6 bxc6 5.Rxf5
  -+  (-4.53)   Depth: 7/14   00:00:00  63kN
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Bd5 Rf5 4.Rxf5 Qh5 5.Rxh5
  -+  (-4.28)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:01  86kN
1...Qxh3 2.Rxf7 Rxf7 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Re1 h6 5.Re8+ Kh7 6.Qe4+ Qf5 7.Qxf5+ g6
8.Bxg6+ Kg7
  -+  (-3.78)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:02  283kN
1...Qxh3 2.Rxf7 Rxf7 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Qe2 g6 5.Qe8+ Kg7 6.Qg8+ Kf6 7.Re1 Kg5 8.Rg1+
Kf4
  -+  (-3.56)   Depth: 8/16   00:00:04  491kN
1...Qxh3 2.Rxf7 Rxf7 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Qe2 g6 5.Qe8+ Kg7 6.Qg8+ Kf6 7.Bd5 Ne5 8.Qh8+
Kf5 9.Be4+ Ke6 10.Rd2
  -+  (-3.31)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:05  686kN
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Be6 Qxf1 4.Rxf1 Rxf1+ 5.Qxf1 d6 6.Bxc8
  -+  (-2.81)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:09  1066kN
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Be6 Qxf1 4.Rxf1 Re8 5.Qf4 h6 6.Bf7 Re5
  ±  (1.36)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:10  1303kN
1...Nd8 2.Rd3 Qe7 3.Bxf7+ Nxf7 4.Rxd7 Qxd7 5.Qxf7+ Rxf7
  ±  (1.35)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:11  1421kN
1...Nd8 2.Rd3 Qe7 3.Bxf7+ Nxf7 4.Rxf7 Rxf7 5.Qxc7
  ±  (1.00)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:11  1498kN
1...Nd8 2.Rde1 Qh6 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Bd5 Rxf1 5.Qxf1 Ne6 6.Qf5
  µ  (-0.93)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:24  3552kN
1...Ne5 2.Qb3 Qb6 3.Qxb6 cxb6 4.Bxf7+ Rxf7 5.Ng5 Rxf1 6.Rxf1
  µ  (-0.94)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:27  3953kN
1...Ne5 2.Qxc7 d6 3.Qxd6 Bxh3 4.Rfe1 h6 5.Rxe3
  µ  (-0.94)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:28  4094kN
1...Kh8 2.Qb3 Qe7 3.Bxc6 dxc6 4.Rd7
  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 9/18   00:00:32  4665kN

(van Dorp, Utrecht 28.11.2001)


Analysis by Junior 7: (from the FEN also - JIMvD)

1...h5 2.Bxf7+ Kh7
  ²  (0.38)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...h6 2.Bxf7+ Kh7
  ²  (0.31)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...b5 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qg4
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Nd8 2.Rd3 Qe5
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 3   00:00:00  1kN
1...Ne5 2.Qxc7 Re8
  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 3   00:00:00  1kN
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qf4
  -+  (-1.55)   Depth: 3   00:00:00  2kN
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Be6 Rxf1 4.Rxf1 Qxf1+ 5.Qxf1 dxe6
  µ  (-1.38)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  15kN
1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Be6 Qxf1 4.Rxf1 Rf6 5.Rxf6 gxf6 6.Bd5 Kg7 7.Bxc6
  ±  (0.75)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  335kN
1...Nd8 2.Rd3 Qe2 3.Rg1 Re8 4.Qd4 Re5 5.Ng5
  ³  (-0.42)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  518kN
1...Nd8 2.Rde1 Qxh3 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Bd5 Qxf1 5.Rxf1 Re8 6.Qxc7 Nc6 7.Qf4 Re2
  +-  (1.79)   Depth: 12   00:00:12  6589kN
1...b5 2.Qh4
  =  (0.04)   Depth: 12   00:00:23  12330kN
1...d6 2.Rxf7 Rxf7 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Nf4 Ne5 5.Qxc7 Bf5 6.Rf1 Rf8 7.Qxd6 Bxc2+
8.Kxc2 Rxf7
  ³  (-0.30)   Depth: 12   00:00:53  27724kN



 (the same kind of results were also obtained for other programs
>too numerousto list here).
>About another game that begins with
>1.d3 d5 2.c3 e5 3.g3 Nf6 4.h4 Bd6 5.Bg2 0-0 6.Nh3 c6 7.Bg5 h6 8.e4 hxg5
>9.hxg5 Bg4 10.f3 Bxh3 11.Rxh3 Nfd7 12.f4 Qb6?? perhaps silence is the best
>response ;but let me give one example:Chessmaster 8000 considers 12...Qb6
>for exactly 1 second before switching to 12...g6.It is Obvious that no
>serious chess program would make a move like 12...Qb6?? in an actual game.

[D]rn1q1rk1/pp1n1pp1/2pb4/3pp1P1/4PP2/2PP2PR/PP4B1/RN1QK3 b Q - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 6:

12...exf4!
  -+  (-2.66)   Depth: 1/10   00:00:00
12...exf4 13.gxf4
  -+  (-2.75)   Depth: 1/10   00:00:00
12...exf4 13.gxf4 dxe4 14.Bxe4 Bxf4
  -+  (-2.75)   Depth: 2/12   00:00:00
12...exf4--
  -+  (-2.44)   Depth: 3/13   00:00:00  2kN
12...exf4 13.Qh5 f5 14.Qh7+ Kf7 15.gxf4 Bxf4 16.exd5 Qxg5
  -+  (-1.94)   Depth: 3/17   00:00:00  3kN
12...Qb6!
  -+  (-1.97)   Depth: 3/19   00:00:00  6kN
12...Qb6 13.Qd2 Qg1+ 14.Bf1 Bc5
  -+  (-2.50)   Depth: 3/19   00:00:00  8kN
12...Qb6 13.Qd2 Qg1+ 14.Bf1 Bc5
  -+  (-2.50)   Depth: 4/16   00:00:00  11kN
12...Qb6 13.Qd2 Qg1+ 14.Bf1 Bc5 15.b4
  -+  (-2.56)   Depth: 5/21   00:00:00  38kN
12...Qb6 13.Qe2 exf4 14.exd5 fxg3 15.dxc6 Qg1+
  -+  (-2.63)   Depth: 6/27   00:00:00  142kN
12...Qb6 13.Qe2 exf4 14.d4 Re8 15.Qh5 Kf8 16.gxf4 dxe4
  -+  (-2.56)   Depth: 7/29   00:00:00  292kN
12...Qb6--
  -+  (-2.25)   Depth: 8/35   00:00:02  1012kN
12...Qb6 13.Qh5 Qe3+ 14.Kf1 Qxd3+ 15.Kg1 f5 16.g6 Qxb1+ 17.Rxb1
  ±  (1.37)   Depth: 8/38   00:00:05  2304kN
12...f5!
  ±  (1.34)   Depth: 8/38   00:00:05  2614kN
12...f5 13.Qh5 Nf6 14.gxf6 Qxf6 15.exd5 exf4 16.Qh7+ Kf7 17.gxf4
  ±  (1.22)   Depth: 8/38   00:00:07  3396kN
12...Re8!
  ±  (1.19)   Depth: 8/38   00:00:08  3910kN
12...Re8 13.Qh5 Kf8 14.g6 Qf6 15.gxf7 Qxf7 16.Qg5 Kg8
  -+  (-1.56)   Depth: 8/38   00:00:09  4428kN
12...g6!
  -+  (-1.59)   Depth: 8/38   00:00:12  5811kN
12...g6 13.Qg4 Re8 14.Nd2 Qb6 15.0-0-0 Qa6 16.fxe5 Nxe5
  -+  (-1.81)   Depth: 8/38   00:00:14  6749kN
12...g6 13.Qg4 Re8 14.Qh4 Kf8 15.Nd2 Nc5 16.Qh8+ Ke7 17.Qf6+
  -+  (-1.63)   Depth: 9/34   00:00:16  7851kN
12...Re8!
  -+  (-1.66)   Depth: 9/34   00:00:17  8300kN
12...Re8 13.Qh5 Kf8 14.g6 Qf6 15.gxf7 Qxf7 16.Qh8+ Ke7 17.Qh4+
  -+  (-1.81)   Depth: 9/34   00:00:18  8750kN
12...Re8 13.Qh5 Kf8 14.Qe2 d4 15.g6 dxc3 16.fxe5 Nxe5
  -+  (-1.88)   Depth: 10/39   00:00:25  12541kN
12...Re8 13.Qh5 Kf8 14.g6 Qf6 15.gxf7 Qxf7 16.Qg5 Qf6 17.Rh8+
  -+  (-1.91)   Depth: 11/40   00:00:41  20181kN
12...g6!
  -+  (-1.94)   Depth: 11/40   00:01:00  29623kN
12...g6--
  -+  (-1.63)   Depth: 12/42   00:01:57  55624kN
12...g6 13.Qg4 Re8 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.f5 gxf5 16.Qh4 Kf8 17.Qh8+
  -+  (-1.53)   Depth: 12/44   00:02:38  71979kN
12...Re8!
  -+  (-1.56)   Depth: 12/44   00:02:45  74904kN
12...Re8 13.Qh5 Kf8 14.g6 Qf6 15.Qe2 exf4 16.Rh8+ Ke7 17.exd5+
  -+  (-1.84)   Depth: 12/44   00:03:18  89735kN




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