Author: ALI MIRAFZALI
Date: 15:20:20 11/27/01
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On November 27, 2001 at 18:09:38, Jeroen van Dorp wrote: >On November 27, 2001 at 17:15:07, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote: > >>Earlier Mr Nemeth had the following win against FRITZ6 >>1.e4 d5 2.exd5 h5 3.Bb5+ c6 4.dxc6 Nxc6 5.Nf3 Nh6 6.Nc3 g6 7.0-0 Bg4 8.h3 e6 >>9.hxg4 hxg4 10.Ne5 Qh4 11.g3 Qh3 12.Nd5 Ng8 13.Bxc6+ bxc6 14.Nc7+ Ke7 15.Nd5+ >>cxd5 16.Nxg6+ fxg6 17.d4 Qh1#. >> The problem with this game is move number 6;that is it impossible to >>get Fritz6 to actually play 6.Nc3 ;it always plays 6.d4. > > >[D]r1bqkb1r/pp2ppp1/2n4n/1B5p/8/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - 0 1 > >Analysis by Fritz 6: > >6.Bxc6+ bxc6 > ± (0.97) Depth: 1/3 00:00:00 >6.0-0! > +- (1.59) Depth: 1/3 00:00:00 >6.0-0 Bg4 > +- (1.41) Depth: 2/6 00:00:00 >6.Ne5! > +- (1.44) Depth: 2/7 00:00:00 >6.Ne5 Qb6 > +- (1.47) Depth: 2/13 00:00:00 >6.Ne5-- > ± (1.16) Depth: 3/15 00:00:00 1kN >6.Ne5 > ± (1.16) Depth: 3/15 00:00:00 1kN >6.0-0! > ± (1.19) Depth: 3/15 00:00:00 1kN >6.0-0 a6 7.Bc4 > +- (1.53) Depth: 3/15 00:00:00 1kN >6.0-0 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.d4 > +- (1.44) Depth: 4/12 00:00:00 2kN >6.0-0 a6 7.Bc4 b5 8.Bb3 > +- (1.41) Depth: 5/17 00:00:00 5kN >6.Nc3! > +- (1.44) Depth: 5/17 00:00:00 9kN >6.Nc3 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.d3 Bg4 9.0-0 > +- (1.44) Depth: 6/18 00:00:00 22kN >6.Nc3 a6 7.Bc4 e5 8.0-0 Bg4 9.d3 > +- (1.44) Depth: 7/18 00:00:00 57kN >6.d4! > +- (1.47) Depth: 7/25 00:00:00 194kN >6.d4 a6 7.Be2 Bg4 8.d5 Nb4 9.Nc3 e6 > +- (1.41) Depth: 8/28 00:00:01 449kN >6.Nc3! > +- (1.44) Depth: 8/28 00:00:01 487kN >6.Nc3 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.d3 Qd6 9.0-0 e5 10.Ne4 Qd5 > +- (1.41) Depth: 9/24 00:00:02 698kN >6.Nc3 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.d3 Rb8 9.0-0 Nf5 10.Ne5 Nd4 > +- (1.50) Depth: 10/29 00:00:06 2447kN >6.Nc3 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.d3 Rb8 9.0-0 Nf5 10.Re1 Qd6 > +- (1.47) Depth: 11/29 00:00:09 4050kN >6.Nc3 Qc7 7.d3 a6 8.Nd5 Qa5+ 9.Bd2 Qd8 10.Bc4 Be6 > +- (1.44) Depth: 12/34 00:00:48 22191kN >6.Nc3 Qc7 7.d3 Bf5 8.0-0 0-0-0 9.Re1 Bg4 10.Be3 Nf5 > +- (1.44) Depth: 13/42 00:01:55 55148kN > > > >>also choose 6.d4 in this particular position.However the most shocking example >>in my opinion is the game given the Title "THE MORNING DANCE" it is played >>at a time control of Blitz in 30 for each side.It begins with >>1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Qxd4 Nc6 4.Qe3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Bb4 6.Bd2 0-0 7.Bc4 Bxc3 >>8.Bxc3 Nxe4 9.0-0-0 Nxc3 10.Qxc3 Qg5+ 11.Rd2 Qxg2 12.Bd5 Qf1+ 13.Rd1 Qxf2 >>14.Nh3 Qf5 15.Rhf1 Qe5 16.Qc4 Qe3+ 17.Kb1 Qxh3?? (black lost on move 26) >>17....Qxh3??? is aBlunder the kind that bug free programs dont make.I do not >>own fritz7 so a direct testing like in the previous games was not available to >>me.The position was tested with the program ZARKOV 2.6 an old program from >>1990 A program Vastly inferior to any version of Fritz (Current ssdf rating >>only 1833) .Not even for a SPLIT SECOND does the program even Consider >>17...Qxh3?? > > >[D]r1b2rk1/pppp1ppp/2n5/3B4/2Q5/4q2N/PPP4P/1K1R1R2 b - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Fritz 6: > >17...Qxh3! > -+ (-3.34) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00 >17...Qxh3 18.Bxf7+ > -+ (-4.19) Depth: 1/6 00:00:00 >17...Qxh3 18.Bxf7+ Kh8 > -+ (-4.19) Depth: 2/5 00:00:00 >17...Qxh3 18.Rxf7 Rxf7 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 > -+ (-4.19) Depth: 3/12 00:00:00 1kN >17...Qxh3 18.Rxf7 Rxf7 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 20.Qf4 > -+ (-4.19) Depth: 4/11 00:00:00 2kN >17...Qxh3-- > -+ (-3.88) Depth: 5/14 00:00:00 3kN >17...Qxh3 18.Bxf7+ Kh8 19.Be6 Rxf1 20.Rxf1 Qxf1+ 21.Qxf1 dxe6 > -+ (-3.66) Depth: 5/16 00:00:00 6kN >17...Qxh3-- > -+ (-3.34) Depth: 6/13 00:00:00 12kN >17...Qxh3 18.Bxf7+ Kh8 19.Be6 Qxf1 20.Rxf1 Rxf1+ > = (-0.22) Depth: 6/16 00:00:00 17kN >17...a6! > = (-0.25) Depth: 6/17 00:00:00 31kN >17...a6 18.Bxf7+ Kh8 19.Bd5 Re8 20.Nf4 b5 > µ (-1.09) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00 58kN >17...Ne5! > µ (-1.13) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00 75kN >17...Ne5 18.Qxc7 d6 19.Nf2 Qc5 20.Qe7 > µ (-1.22) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00 82kN >17...Kh8! > µ (-1.25) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00 110kN >17...Kh8 18.Qh4 f6 19.Ng5 h6 20.Nf7+ Kh7 21.Be4+ Kg8 > -+ (-1.50) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00 168kN >17...d6! > -+ (-1.53) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00 194kN >17...Nd8! > -+ (-1.56) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00 238kN >17...Nd8 18.Rf3 Qb6 19.Ng5 Ne6 20.Nxe6 dxe6 > -+ (-1.81) Depth: 6/19 00:00:00 258kN >17...Nd8 18.Qh4 Ne6 19.Rde1 Qd4 20.Be4 f5 > -+ (-1.84) Depth: 7/21 00:00:01 337kN >17...Nd8-- > -+ (-1.53) Depth: 8/19 00:00:01 450kN >17...Nd8 18.Rde1 Qxh3 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 20.Bd5 Rxf1 21.Rxf1 Ne6 > µ (-1.28) Depth: 8/21 00:00:01 483kN >17...d6! > µ (-1.31) Depth: 8/22 00:00:01 598kN >17...d6 18.Rxf7 Rxf7 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 20.Nf4 Qf2 21.Bd5 Ne5 22.Qe4 > -+ (-1.44) Depth: 8/23 00:00:01 723kN >17...d6 18.Rxf7 Rxf7 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 20.Nf4 Qf2 21.Bd5 Bd7 22.Bxc6 > -+ (-1.44) Depth: 9/24 00:00:03 1725kN >17...d6 18.Rxf7 Rxf7 19.Bxf7+ Kh8 20.Nf4 Qf2 21.Bd5 Bd7 22.Be6 > -+ (-1.41) Depth: 10/26 00:00:07 3538kN >17...d6 18.Rde1 Qd2 19.Ng5 Bf5 20.Ne4 Bxe4 21.Bxf7+ Kh8 > -+ (-1.41) Depth: 11/26 00:00:16 9189kN >17...d6 18.Rde1 Qd2 19.Ng5 Bf5 20.Ne4 Bxe4 21.Bxf7+ Kh8 22.Qxe4 > -+ (-1.41) Depth: 12/30 00:00:34 20627kN > >(from the FEN string,so the move number not corresponding) > > >Analysis by Shredder 5.32: > >1...Qxh3 2.Bxc6 bxc6 3.Qxf7+ Rxf7 > -+ (-2.47) Depth: 1/2 00:00:00 >1...Qxh3 2.Rxf7 > -+ (-3.06) Depth: 1/2 00:00:00 >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 > -+ (-4.20) Depth: 1/2 00:00:00 >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 > -+ (-4.20) Depth: 2/4 00:00:00 >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qc5 > -+ (-4.16) Depth: 3/6 00:00:00 >1...Qxh3 2.Bxc6 dxc6 3.Rxf7 > -+ (-4.41) Depth: 4/8 00:00:00 >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qe2 d6 > -+ (-4.54) Depth: 4/8 00:00:00 >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qe2 d6 4.c3 > -+ (-4.58) Depth: 5/10 00:00:00 >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qf4 d6 4.Rf3 Qh6 > -+ (-4.78) Depth: 6/12 00:00:00 13kN >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Bd5 Rxf1 4.Rxf1 h6 5.Qf4 > -+ (-4.53) Depth: 7/14 00:00:00 36kN >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Bd5 Rf5 4.Qxc6 bxc6 5.Rxf5 > -+ (-4.53) Depth: 7/14 00:00:00 63kN >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Bd5 Rf5 4.Rxf5 Qh5 5.Rxh5 > -+ (-4.28) Depth: 8/16 00:00:01 86kN >1...Qxh3 2.Rxf7 Rxf7 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Re1 h6 5.Re8+ Kh7 6.Qe4+ Qf5 7.Qxf5+ g6 >8.Bxg6+ Kg7 > -+ (-3.78) Depth: 8/16 00:00:02 283kN >1...Qxh3 2.Rxf7 Rxf7 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Qe2 g6 5.Qe8+ Kg7 6.Qg8+ Kf6 7.Re1 Kg5 8.Rg1+ >Kf4 > -+ (-3.56) Depth: 8/16 00:00:04 491kN >1...Qxh3 2.Rxf7 Rxf7 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Qe2 g6 5.Qe8+ Kg7 6.Qg8+ Kf6 7.Bd5 Ne5 8.Qh8+ >Kf5 9.Be4+ Ke6 10.Rd2 > -+ (-3.31) Depth: 9/18 00:00:05 686kN >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Be6 Qxf1 4.Rxf1 Rxf1+ 5.Qxf1 d6 6.Bxc8 > -+ (-2.81) Depth: 9/18 00:00:09 1066kN >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Be6 Qxf1 4.Rxf1 Re8 5.Qf4 h6 6.Bf7 Re5 > ± (1.36) Depth: 9/18 00:00:10 1303kN >1...Nd8 2.Rd3 Qe7 3.Bxf7+ Nxf7 4.Rxd7 Qxd7 5.Qxf7+ Rxf7 > ± (1.35) Depth: 9/18 00:00:11 1421kN >1...Nd8 2.Rd3 Qe7 3.Bxf7+ Nxf7 4.Rxf7 Rxf7 5.Qxc7 > ± (1.00) Depth: 9/18 00:00:11 1498kN >1...Nd8 2.Rde1 Qh6 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Bd5 Rxf1 5.Qxf1 Ne6 6.Qf5 > µ (-0.93) Depth: 9/18 00:00:24 3552kN >1...Ne5 2.Qb3 Qb6 3.Qxb6 cxb6 4.Bxf7+ Rxf7 5.Ng5 Rxf1 6.Rxf1 > µ (-0.94) Depth: 9/18 00:00:27 3953kN >1...Ne5 2.Qxc7 d6 3.Qxd6 Bxh3 4.Rfe1 h6 5.Rxe3 > µ (-0.94) Depth: 9/18 00:00:28 4094kN >1...Kh8 2.Qb3 Qe7 3.Bxc6 dxc6 4.Rd7 > µ (-0.95) Depth: 9/18 00:00:32 4665kN > >(van Dorp, Utrecht 28.11.2001) > > >Analysis by Junior 7: (from the FEN also - JIMvD) > >1...h5 2.Bxf7+ Kh7 > ² (0.38) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1...h6 2.Bxf7+ Kh7 > ² (0.31) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1...b5 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qg4 > = (0.16) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >1...Nd8 2.Rd3 Qe5 > ³ (-0.31) Depth: 3 00:00:00 1kN >1...Ne5 2.Qxc7 Re8 > ³ (-0.47) Depth: 3 00:00:00 1kN >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Qf4 > -+ (-1.55) Depth: 3 00:00:00 2kN >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Be6 Rxf1 4.Rxf1 Qxf1+ 5.Qxf1 dxe6 > µ (-1.38) Depth: 6 00:00:00 15kN >1...Qxh3 2.Bxf7+ Kh8 3.Be6 Qxf1 4.Rxf1 Rf6 5.Rxf6 gxf6 6.Bd5 Kg7 7.Bxc6 > ± (0.75) Depth: 9 00:00:01 335kN >1...Nd8 2.Rd3 Qe2 3.Rg1 Re8 4.Qd4 Re5 5.Ng5 > ³ (-0.42) Depth: 9 00:00:01 518kN >1...Nd8 2.Rde1 Qxh3 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Bd5 Qxf1 5.Rxf1 Re8 6.Qxc7 Nc6 7.Qf4 Re2 > +- (1.79) Depth: 12 00:00:12 6589kN >1...b5 2.Qh4 > = (0.04) Depth: 12 00:00:23 12330kN >1...d6 2.Rxf7 Rxf7 3.Bxf7+ Kh8 4.Nf4 Ne5 5.Qxc7 Bf5 6.Rf1 Rf8 7.Qxd6 Bxc2+ >8.Kxc2 Rxf7 > ³ (-0.30) Depth: 12 00:00:53 27724kN > > > > (the same kind of results were also obtained for other programs >>too numerousto list here). >>About another game that begins with >>1.d3 d5 2.c3 e5 3.g3 Nf6 4.h4 Bd6 5.Bg2 0-0 6.Nh3 c6 7.Bg5 h6 8.e4 hxg5 >>9.hxg5 Bg4 10.f3 Bxh3 11.Rxh3 Nfd7 12.f4 Qb6?? perhaps silence is the best >>response ;but let me give one example:Chessmaster 8000 considers 12...Qb6 >>for exactly 1 second before switching to 12...g6.It is Obvious that no >>serious chess program would make a move like 12...Qb6?? in an actual game. > >[D]rn1q1rk1/pp1n1pp1/2pb4/3pp1P1/4PP2/2PP2PR/PP4B1/RN1QK3 b Q - 0 1 > >Analysis by Fritz 6: > >12...exf4! > -+ (-2.66) Depth: 1/10 00:00:00 >12...exf4 13.gxf4 > -+ (-2.75) Depth: 1/10 00:00:00 >12...exf4 13.gxf4 dxe4 14.Bxe4 Bxf4 > -+ (-2.75) Depth: 2/12 00:00:00 >12...exf4-- > -+ (-2.44) Depth: 3/13 00:00:00 2kN >12...exf4 13.Qh5 f5 14.Qh7+ Kf7 15.gxf4 Bxf4 16.exd5 Qxg5 > -+ (-1.94) Depth: 3/17 00:00:00 3kN >12...Qb6! > -+ (-1.97) Depth: 3/19 00:00:00 6kN >12...Qb6 13.Qd2 Qg1+ 14.Bf1 Bc5 > -+ (-2.50) Depth: 3/19 00:00:00 8kN >12...Qb6 13.Qd2 Qg1+ 14.Bf1 Bc5 > -+ (-2.50) Depth: 4/16 00:00:00 11kN >12...Qb6 13.Qd2 Qg1+ 14.Bf1 Bc5 15.b4 > -+ (-2.56) Depth: 5/21 00:00:00 38kN >12...Qb6 13.Qe2 exf4 14.exd5 fxg3 15.dxc6 Qg1+ > -+ (-2.63) Depth: 6/27 00:00:00 142kN >12...Qb6 13.Qe2 exf4 14.d4 Re8 15.Qh5 Kf8 16.gxf4 dxe4 > -+ (-2.56) Depth: 7/29 00:00:00 292kN >12...Qb6-- > -+ (-2.25) Depth: 8/35 00:00:02 1012kN >12...Qb6 13.Qh5 Qe3+ 14.Kf1 Qxd3+ 15.Kg1 f5 16.g6 Qxb1+ 17.Rxb1 > ± (1.37) Depth: 8/38 00:00:05 2304kN >12...f5! > ± (1.34) Depth: 8/38 00:00:05 2614kN >12...f5 13.Qh5 Nf6 14.gxf6 Qxf6 15.exd5 exf4 16.Qh7+ Kf7 17.gxf4 > ± (1.22) Depth: 8/38 00:00:07 3396kN >12...Re8! > ± (1.19) Depth: 8/38 00:00:08 3910kN >12...Re8 13.Qh5 Kf8 14.g6 Qf6 15.gxf7 Qxf7 16.Qg5 Kg8 > -+ (-1.56) Depth: 8/38 00:00:09 4428kN >12...g6! > -+ (-1.59) Depth: 8/38 00:00:12 5811kN >12...g6 13.Qg4 Re8 14.Nd2 Qb6 15.0-0-0 Qa6 16.fxe5 Nxe5 > -+ (-1.81) Depth: 8/38 00:00:14 6749kN >12...g6 13.Qg4 Re8 14.Qh4 Kf8 15.Nd2 Nc5 16.Qh8+ Ke7 17.Qf6+ > -+ (-1.63) Depth: 9/34 00:00:16 7851kN >12...Re8! > -+ (-1.66) Depth: 9/34 00:00:17 8300kN >12...Re8 13.Qh5 Kf8 14.g6 Qf6 15.gxf7 Qxf7 16.Qh8+ Ke7 17.Qh4+ > -+ (-1.81) Depth: 9/34 00:00:18 8750kN >12...Re8 13.Qh5 Kf8 14.Qe2 d4 15.g6 dxc3 16.fxe5 Nxe5 > -+ (-1.88) Depth: 10/39 00:00:25 12541kN >12...Re8 13.Qh5 Kf8 14.g6 Qf6 15.gxf7 Qxf7 16.Qg5 Qf6 17.Rh8+ > -+ (-1.91) Depth: 11/40 00:00:41 20181kN >12...g6! > -+ (-1.94) Depth: 11/40 00:01:00 29623kN >12...g6-- > -+ (-1.63) Depth: 12/42 00:01:57 55624kN >12...g6 13.Qg4 Re8 14.Nd2 Nc5 15.f5 gxf5 16.Qh4 Kf8 17.Qh8+ > -+ (-1.53) Depth: 12/44 00:02:38 71979kN >12...Re8! > -+ (-1.56) Depth: 12/44 00:02:45 74904kN >12...Re8 13.Qh5 Kf8 14.g6 Qf6 15.Qe2 exf4 16.Rh8+ Ke7 17.exd5+ > -+ (-1.84) Depth: 12/44 00:03:18 89735kN This analysis only proves my point Even before getting to 1 second the program discards 17..Qxh3?? 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