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Subject: Re: CCTF- Computer Chess Testing Foundation

Author: Komputer Korner

Date: 08:19:38 06/04/98

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On June 04, 1998 at 03:27:29, Ed Schröder wrote:

>>Posted by Komputer Korner on June 04, 1998 at 02:03:50:
>
>>With the perhaps imminent demise of the SSDF,  See the below  piece of
>>news from Bert Seifriz at GambitSoft:
>
>>"Ed Schröder makes his own list now, Millennium GmbH, a chess firm
>>here, publish also their own lists. Without saying anything about
>>their evaluations, all the people who criticize the Swedish list
>>should know that the Swedes might give up soon.
>
>>In a letter to us they promised to carry on until the end of this year,
>
>I can tell you that this information has nothing to do with the
>current problems. I received the above information on February 9, so
>before the last SSDF list came out, so before all the trouble started.
>
>>but afterwards the Swedish list might die which would be a pity! - 6/2/98"
>
>
>
>>I am announcing an organization called CCTF which would stand for
>>Computer Chess Testing Foundation.
>
>I applaud to your initiative. Hope you can make it a success.
>
>
>>We could start off testing and rating the winboard engines and then
>>the
>>Fritz engines (Fritz, Hiarcs, Junior, and Doctor) and the commercial
>>programs and who knows what else in
>>the future? As for the commercial programs I propose to allow only
>>those programs to be tested that have publicly available autotesters.
>>I applaud Ed Schroder's efforts on this behalf, but I feel that an
>>independent organization is needed or else there will be suspicion in
>>the end about Ed's methods. I believe Ed is a truly honorable man but
>>the other programmers won't stand for an "Independent" testing
>>organization being controlled by  a single competitor (Ed himself).
>
>I like to answer this with the official text from my home page:
>
> [ begin quote]
>
>   The very first thing that will be improved is to move the CCL
>   list to an independent company, institution or organization
>   to ensure the creditability AND a continuation for years of
>   this computer-computer competition.
>
>   At the moment the CCL competition is running in the office of
>   the Schroder BV, producer of Rebel. It's our first goal with
>   the highest priority to move the CCL competition to an independent
>   organization free from any commercial bindings with any of the
>   involved participants.
>
>   We will take 6 months for this process. If we do not manage in
>   these 6 months to move the CCL list to an independent organization
>   the CCL list will stop to exist.
>
>   Q: Why is Schröder BV doing this and not somebody else?
>
>   A: The last years too many interesting computer chess events
>      disappeared. We believe this is not good for our sport (hobby).
>      Whenever we talk about new ideas with possible candidates we
>      have experienced that in the end nothing is done due to lack of
>      time and/or financials. Therefore we started this initiative of
>      our own. This will make it easier for serious candidates to jump
>      on a running train.
>
> [ end quote ]
>
>Like to add that I am currently talking to 3 serious candidates to take
>over CCL.
>
>- Ed -
>
>
>>There are at least 2 others doing extensive testing with a number of
>>programs and one of them  is the famous SHEP.  Perhaps he would
>>graciously accept to join CCTF and be on the board of directors of
>>CCTF. And of course Enrique Irazoqui just has to say when and he will
>>be on the board (and in all probability chairman if he wants the
>>post). If anybody can come up with a constitution and if anybody wants
>>to be statistician please respond to this post. For  commercial
>>programs  testers need 2 exact computers. The beauty of testing in
>>Winboard and the Fritz GUI  however  is that you only need 1 computer
>>with of course pondering turned off.    And of course testing is all
>>automatic so once you get setup there isn't much work. Might as well
>>have your computers run overnight when they have nothing to do. The idea
>>is to have MAC programs also tested and the rating link to this would be
>>Hiarcs 6  Mac version.
>>
>>--
>>--
>>Komputer Korner
>>The inkompetent komputer
>>
>>To send email take the 1 out of my address. My email address is
>>korner1@netcom.ca  but take the 1 out before sending the email.


I too do not want to see the SSDF die, but if it does, I would think
that the CCTF would move in to take it's place as regards commercial
program testing. Perhaps Ed's contacts and/or the CCL can amalgamate
with the CCTF to have a truly worldwide testing organization independent
of any influence. If Eric Hallsworth's group is interested and SHEP as
well, perhaps a cyber meeting of all concerned individuals could be
arranged.



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