Author: Komputer Korner
Date: 09:07:31 06/04/98
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On June 04, 1998 at 11:49:33, Amir Ban wrote:
>On June 04, 1998 at 10:35:46, blass uri wrote:
>
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>>On June 04, 1998 at 09:59:21, Guido Schimmels wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>On June 04, 1998 at 07:49:40, blass uri wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On June 04, 1998 at 05:56:17, Ulrich Tuerke wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 04, 1998 at 05:33:00, blass uri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>humans can play between chess programs by hand and mouse
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I understand that it is hard to do a program that does the same
>>>>>>thing the hand does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>what is the main problem about it
>>>>>>to do a program that moves the mouse or
>>>>>>to do a program that reads the screen and understands the move
>>>>>>that was done.
>>>>>
>>>>>What are you trying to say ????
>>>>
>>>>what is not clear?
>>>>my idea is that if there was a small robot that does the same action
>>>>humans can do then there was no problem with testing fritz5.
>>>>
>>>>I know nothing about doing robots so I ask if someone knows
>>>
>>>You don't need a robot or any kind of hardware device for that !
>>>In fact Donninger's original autoplayer - plenty of years ago -
>>>worked with no kind of interface provided by the programs it could
>>>handle.
>>>Donninger published an article describing how he has done it.
>>>Reading that stuff made my neck-hairs stand up, I can tell you -
>>>what a hacking adventure ! He had to figure out a bunch of
>>>"dirty tricks" for every single program, totally different code each - a
>>>mess !
>>>You'll find nobody who will do this for Fritz5 now, Donninger
>>>as the last man, believe me.
>>>Chessbase decided to be spoilers, sadly :-{
>>>
>>>- Guido
>>
>>you say "He had to figure out a bunch of "dirty tricks" for every single
>>program"
>>by doing a small robot we solve the problem for every program
>>unless the program looks if there is a robot near it
>>and if there is it refuses to play.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Uri,
>
>How will your robot know how to operate the program and understand the
>display ? Will it read the user manual, study the online help, or will
>it just rely on its natural robot intuition ?
>
>By the way, robots exist mainly in science fiction. Junior will gladly
>play if there's a robot nearby, and this actually improves its strength.
>
>Amir
Great idea, we could have human android look alike robots playing OTB
using the micro chess engines as their brains. The public wouldn't know
the difference if the androids looked human like enough. Maybe the
facial and hand expressions of Kasparov would be hard to duplicate as no
one in the history of mankind has the facial expressions of Gary
Kasparov when he has a bad position on the board. Oh I forgot, the
public doesn't flock to chess tournaments as spectators. So I guess we
don't need human lookalike androids after all to play chess. What a
pity!!!!!! It was such a great idea:))))))))))))) As for robots being
able to read a screen and then input the move on another screen, it
would be much cheaper to hire somone at minimum wage than to spend the
hundreds of millions of $ it will take in research costs to develop a
robot to do this. I think society's money is better spent in other ways
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