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Subject: Re: oops Diagram might help <S>

Author: Tim Foden

Date: 08:37:56 11/30/01

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On November 30, 2001 at 10:55:00, Les Fernandez wrote:

>On November 30, 2001 at 10:44:47, Andreas Stabel wrote:
>
>>On November 30, 2001 at 10:13:58, Les Fernandez wrote:
>>
>>>In the following position can someone tell me how to properly represent the
>>>capture of the black pawn on e4.  It is white to move.  Obviously we cant just
>>>say "de" since we could be talking about the capture of the e5 pawn.  Secondly
>>>regarding pawns are their any other positions that exist that have other types
>>>of ambiguities.
>>>
>>>[D]2k5/8/8/4p3/3Pp3/3P4/8/1K6 w - -
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>
>>There is absolutely no ambiguity here because in the PGN/SAN standard you
>>should always give the full destination square of a pawn move, so it
>>should be dxe4.
>
>Hi Andreas
>
>First of all am I to understand that there is no 2 character designation for a
>pawn move, say e4??

Why do you say this in reply to Adreas?  He did not say that there was no short
form... just that the destination square is always given in full (except for
castling).

In the case of Pe2e4 the destination square is e4, and SAN only requires that
you say e4 in this case.

Here is a passage relevant to this from the specification.  The first paragraph
is quite pertinent.

<<<<<
8.2.3.3: Basic SAN move construction

A basic SAN move is given by listing the moving piece letter (omitted for
pawns) followed by the destination square.  Capture moves are denoted by the
lower case letter "x" immediately prior to the destination square; pawn
captures include the file letter of the originating square of the capturing
pawn immediately prior to the "x" character.

SAN kingside castling is indicated by the sequence "O-O"; queenside castling is
indicated by the sequence "O-O-O".  Note that the upper case letter "O" is
used, not the digit zero.  The use of a zero character is not only incompatible
with traditional text practices, but it can also confuse parsing algorithms
which also have to understand about move numbers and game termination markers.
Also note that the use of the letter "O" is consistent with the practice of
having all chess move symbols start with a letter; also, it follows the
convention that all non-pwn move symbols start with an upper case letter.

En passant captures do not have any special notation; they are formed as if the
captured pawn were on the capturing pawn's destination square.  Pawn promotions
are denoted by the equal sign "=" immediately following the destination square
with a promoted piece letter (indicating one of knight, bishop, rook, or queen)
immediately following the equal sign.  As above, the piece letter is in upper
case.
<<<<<

> Or is it only legal since it does not involve a capture or
>is this not considered standard?
>
>Listen I thought I had the doc on the PGN/SAN standard but judging by what you
>have stated perhaps I dont have the complete/thorough report.  Can you tell me
>where I might find this? I would appreciate it and thanks for your help.

The one I work from starts like this:

<<<<<
Standard: Portable Game Notation Specification and Implementation Guide

Revised: 1994.03.12

Authors: Interested readers of the Internet newsgroup rec.games.chess

Coordinator: Steven J. Edwards (send comments to sje@world.std.com)
<<<<<

This may be a bit old, but is probably valid anyway.

Cheers, Tim.



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