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Subject: One other stipulation

Author: Les Fernandez

Date: 10:52:17 11/30/01

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On November 30, 2001 at 11:33:48, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On November 30, 2001 at 10:55:00, Les Fernandez wrote:
>
>>On November 30, 2001 at 10:44:47, Andreas Stabel wrote:
>>
>>>On November 30, 2001 at 10:13:58, Les Fernandez wrote:
>>>
>>>>In the following position can someone tell me how to properly represent the
>>>>capture of the black pawn on e4.  It is white to move.  Obviously we cant just
>>>>say "de" since we could be talking about the capture of the e5 pawn.  Secondly
>>>>regarding pawns are their any other positions that exist that have other types
>>>>of ambiguities.
>>>>
>>>>[D]2k5/8/8/4p3/3Pp3/3P4/8/1K6 w - -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>There is absolutely no ambiguity here because in the PGN/SAN standard you
>>>should always give the full destination square of a pawn move, so it
>>>should be dxe4.
>>
>>Hi Andreas
>>
>>First of all am I to understand that there is no 2 character designation for a
>>pawn move, say e4?? Or is it only legal since it does not involve a capture or
>>is this not considered standard?
>
>
>for pawn moves, only a destination square may be given.  For piece moves,
>the piece "letter" plus the destination square is the simplest form.  If
>this leads to an ambiguous move (either of the above) then the move is
>qualified by adding either the originating file letter, or if that is
>still ambiguous, by trying the originating rank number instead.
>
>e4 is fine

Hi Bob,

So in the previous diagram do I understand that e4 is in fact the same as
Pd3xe4?  I think thats what you are saying.  Now how about this next case:

[D]2k5/8/8/4p3/3Pp3/3P1P2/8/1K6 w - -

Now the possibility of either the d3 pawn or the f3 pawn can capture the e4
pawn.  What do we do in this scenario?

Thanks all that responded.


>
>for a capture, dxe4 is required as a4 can't be a capture.  _all_ captures
>have an "x" in them
>
>
>
>>
>>Listen I thought I had the doc on the PGN/SAN standard but judging by what you
>>have stated perhaps I dont have the complete/thorough report.  Can you tell me
>>where I might find this? I would appreciate it and thanks for your help.
>>
>>
>
>
>Search for PGN.  The SAN specification is included.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>There is a possible ambiguity in the following position:
>>>[D]4k3/8/8/2pP4/3P4/8/8/4K3 w - c6
>>>
>>>One should think that dxc5 is ambigous here, but the PGN/SAN standard states
>>>that the en passant capture of the c5 pawn should be given as dxc6 !
>>>
>>>Best regards
>>>Andreas Stabel



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