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Subject: Re: The Most Difficult Tactical Combination Ever Shocking Computer Analysis

Author: Roy Eassa

Date: 11:34:27 11/30/01

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On November 30, 2001 at 13:34:19, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:

>The following Position is Taken from a Game Played by IGM Yuri Shulman
>in a recent tournament in the USA:
>[D] r1b2r2/pp1nqn1k/2pp2pb/4Pp1p/2PP1p1N/2N3BP/PPQ1B1P1/3RR1K1 w  - 1 0
>In this position Amazingly 19.Nxg6!!! Wins by Force .However Fritz 6 does not
>find this move however Chessmaster 8000 does! However there is a slight problem
>Here is the line given by Chessmaster 8000 when run after about 3.5 minutes.
>Time:3:32 Depth 10   Score:0.09  Positions :13062068
>Line:19.Nxg6 Kxg6 20.Qxf5+ Kg7 21.Bd3 Rh8 22.Qg6+ Kf8 23.exd6 Qg5 24.Qxg5 Bxg5
>25.Bh2
>
>The Problem Here is that Chessmaster 8000 changes its mind at higher plys!
>to the inferior 19.exd6. Here is the Analysis
>Time:40:02 Depth 12    Score:0.00  Positions :149376486
>Line:19.exd6 Qxd6 20.c5 Qf6 21.Bf2 Ng5 22.Nf3 b5 23.d5 Nxf3+ 24.gxf3 a6
>25.dxc6 Qxc6.
>
>Now we come to the Most intertesting part of this article;that is why 19.Nxg6
>wins.In the actual game there was 19.Nxg6 Kxg6 20.Qxf5+ Kg7 21.Bd3 Rh8 22.Qg6+
>Kf8 .and now 23.e6!! instead of 23.exd6 as given by Chessmaster 8000.
>So Therefore one has to feed 23.e6!! in the line starting with
>19.Nxg6 to see that 19.Nxg6 actually wins. This is confirmed by chessmaster
>8000 as follows:
>Time:10:54  Depth 11  Score:1.17  Positions : 43387513
> Line:23.e6 fxg3 24.exf7 Be3+ 25.Kh1 Ne5 26.dxe5 Qxe5 27.Ne4 Bf5 28.Qxd6+ Qxd6
>29.Nxd6 Bg4
>In this line if Black tries 24... Qxf7 he will be crushed by 25.Qd6+ Kg8
>26.Re6! Ne5 27.Rf6 Qd7 28.Qxe5 Bg7 29.Rdf1 Rh6 (with a 3 pawn advatage to white
>according to CM 8000).So 19.Nxg6!!! is actually winning.
>In the actual game Black blundered with 23...Rg8? and lost after 24.Bh4 Rxg6
>25.Bxe7+ Kxe7 26.exd7+ Re6 27.dxc8=Q  1-0
>No program other than CM8000 even comes close to suggesting 19.Nxg6!!! .And
>even CM8000 changes its mind and does not see the winning lines.
>It is My opinion that this position should serve as a BENCHMARK for the
>progress of future programs/Computers.It is only when a program can clearly
>see why 19.Nxg6!!! wins can one write chess as pratically solved by Computers.
>I am howeverinterssted in results by other programs.(at this point I donot
>think anyprogram will see this:but I am still curious).


Gambit Tiger 2.0 Aggressive, on a 1.2 GHz Athlon, cannot find the whole line up
front in any reasonable timeframe.  Even when the first six ply are pre-played,
it takes it 13 (more) ply to switch to Qg6+ as the preferred move, 14 ply to
give it a positive score (+0.56), and, after 15 ply, only sees it as +0.68:

00:00:00.0	-1.06	8	154870	exd6 Qg5 Bh2 Nxd6 Qe6 Qf6 d5 Qxe6 Rxe6
00:00:00.0	-1.06	8	179340	exd6 Qg5 Bh2 Nxd6 Qe6 Qf6 d5
00:00:00.1	-0.16	8	282065	Bh4
00:00:00.1	0.72	8	309092	Bh4 Ndxe5 Bxe7 Bxf5 dxe5 Bxd3 Bf6+ Kf8 Bxh8 Bxc4
00:00:01.1	-0.14	9	402244    Bh4 Qxh4 e6 Qe7 exd7 Qxd7 Qxh5 f3 Qg6+ Kf8 Ne4 fxg2
00:00:02.3	-0.12	10	732278    Bh4 Qxh4 e6 Qe7 exd7 Qxd7 Qxh5 f3 Qg6+ Kf8 Ne4
00:00:04.7	-0.32	11	1735058   Bh4 Qxh4 e6 Qe7 exd7 Qxd7 Qg6+ Kf8 Qxh5 Rg8 Bg6
00:00:15.2	0.58	12	5559858   Bh4
00:00:18.6	0.62	12	6663902   Bh4 Qxh4 e6 Qf6 exd7 Bxd7 Qxd7 f3 Re6 Rad8 Rxf6
Be3+ Kh2 Rxd7 Rxf3 Bxd4
00:01:43.8	-0.56	13	38346234  Bh4 Qxh4 e6 Qe7 Qg6+ Kf8 exf7 Qxf7 Qxd6+ Kg8 Re6
Bf8 Rg6+ Bg7 Rf1 f3 Rxf3
00:02:17.7	-0.34	13	50159464  Qg6+ Kf8 e6 fxg3 exf7 Qxf7 Qxd6+ Kg8 Qxg3+ Qg7 Qd6
Nf8 Re7 Qg5 Qd8 Be6 Qxa8 Qxe7
00:03:03.4	0.56	14	66799415  Qg6+
00:03:59.4	0.56	15	87109588  Qg6+
00:06:13.7	0.68	15	133502317 Qg6+ Kf8 e6 fxg3 exf7 Qxf7 Qxd6+ Kg8 Qxg3+ Qg7 Qd6
Qf7 Re6 Bf8 Rg6+ Bg7 Qc7 Rh6



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