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Subject: Re: Junior6's tactical mistake against piket in dortmund

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 15:26:46 11/30/01

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On November 30, 2001 at 17:57:18, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On November 30, 2001 at 14:49:45, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>
>>[D]rr6/q2kbp2/bnp1p2p/pp1pP1pP/2nP2P1/P1P2N2/NP3P2/1KBRQB1R w - - 0 25
>>
>>Junior played Ka1 and lost
>>
>>here is yace(only material version) logfile for that position(it was slowed down
>>by a big factor in the first seconds so the times are not important)
>>
>>It was using the following material values:
>>pawn:0.8,knight 3.4 bishop 3.5,rook 5,queen 10.01
>>
>>I prefer 1,3,5,9 but the values are the values from the version that I got from
>>the programmer
>>
>>
>>You can see that b4 has a stable score at deothes 16,17 of 0.1 pawns that means
>>an advantage of only bishop for a knight
>>After Ka1 white is losing a pawn
>>
>>You can also see that Junior7 also likes Ka1 after few minutes.
>>
>>I believe that b4 could at least give Junior better practical chances to save
>>the game against piket.
>>
>>I also believe that computers can practically by good defence win games or at
>>least draw against king attacks of humans when the hardware gets faster
>>
>>Even if the computer gets into a bad position humans are going to have big
>>problems to find the right moves against correct defence
>>
>>What is your opinion?
>
>
>I wonder if Ka1 matters at all, Rebel also needs quite some time to
>switch to b4.
>
>Ed
>
>=================================================
>
>00:00:10 10.00  -0.37   1.Bd3 b4 2.Bc2 bxa3 3.b3 Na4 4.Qg1
>                        Kc8 5.Nd2  (8)
>
>00:00:19 10.02  -0.31   1.Nd2 b4 2.cxb4 axb4 3.Nxc4 Nxc4
>                        4.a4 b3 5.Bxc4 Bxc4 6.Nc3 c5  (11)
>
>00:01:10 10.11  -0.19   1.Qe2 b4 2.Qc2
>00:01:24 10.14  -0.18   1.b4 axb4 2.Bxc4
>00:01:28 10.15   0.31   1.Ka1 Ke8 2.Bd3 Nd7 3.Qe2 b4 4.axb4
>                        axb4  (84)
>
>00:01:52 11.00   0.16   1.Ka1 Nc8 2.Bxc4 bxc4 3.Qe2 Rb7
>                        4.Qc2  (88)
>
>00:02:15 12.00   0.14   1.Ka1 Nc8 2.Bxc4 bxc4 3.Qe2 Rb7
>                        4.Qc2  (125)
>
>00:04:40 13.00  -0.86   1.Ka1 b4 2.Nd2 Nxd2
>00:05:03 13.01  -0.18   1.b4 axb4 2.Bxc4
>00:08:47 14.00  -0.30   1.b4 Bc8

Yace failed high on 25.Bxc4 at depth 14(I may give it a long time to analyze)
Junior also liked 25.Bxc4 after finishing iteration 21
I prefer b4 and after 25.Bxc4 bxc4 seems to be the correct move and not Nxc4
that is suggested by yace and Junior.

Junior 6 - Piket,J
[D]rr6/q2kbp2/bnp1p2p/pp1pP1pP/2nP2P1/P1P2N2/NP3P2/1KBRQB1R w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

25.Bg2 Rf8 26.Bh3 Bb7 27.Bg2
  =  (0.22)   Depth: -1   00:00:00  17kN
25.Be2 b4 26.cxb4 Kc8
  =  (0.23)   Depth: -1   00:00:00  17kN
25.Be2 Rf8 26.Nxg5 hxg5 27.Bxg5
  =  (0.22)   Depth: -1   00:00:00  17kN
25.Bg2 Rf8 26.Bh3 Bb7 27.Bg2
  =  (0.22)   Depth: -1   00:00:00  17kN
25.Bh3 Bb7 26.Bg2 Rc8
  =  (0.23)   Depth: -1   00:00:00  17kN
25.Bh3 Re8 26.Kc2 Bb7 27.Bg2
  =  (0.23)   Depth: -1   00:00:00  17kN
25.Kc2 Na4 26.b3 Re8
  =  (0.24)   Depth: -1   00:00:00  17kN
25.Kc2 Re8 26.Bg2 Bb7 27.Be3
  ²  (0.30)   Depth: -1   00:00:00  17kN
25.Kc2 Nc8 26.Bxc4 bxc4 27.Kd2 Rb3 28.Ke2
  =  (0.25)   Depth: -1   00:00:00  17kN
25.Kc2 Nc8 26.Bd3 b4 27.Bxc4 dxc4 28.Kd2 Ke8
  =  (0.23)   Depth: -1   00:00:01  224kN
25.Bg2 Rf8 26.Kc2 f5 27.exf6 Bxf6 28.Ne5+ Kd6 29.Nxc4+ Kd7
  =  (0.24)   Depth: -1   00:00:02  463kN
25.Bg2 Rf8 26.Kc2 Bb7 27.Nxg5 hxg5 28.Bxg5
  =  (0.24)   Depth: -1   00:00:02  463kN
25.Bd3 b4 26.cxb4 axb4 27.Nxb4 Bxb4 28.Qxb4 Kc7
  =  (0.25)   Depth: -1   00:00:03  679kN
25.Bd3 Bb7 26.Kc2 Re8 27.Bd2 c5 28.Be3
  =  (0.25)   Depth: -1   00:00:03  679kN
25.Bd3 Nc8 26.Nd2 Nxd2+ 27.Bxd2 b4 28.Bxa6 Qxa6 29.cxb4 Qd3+ 30.Ka1 Qxd4
  =  (0.12)   Depth: -1   00:00:07  1591kN
25.Bg2 Rf8 26.Kc2 b4 27.cxb4 axb4 28.Nxb4 Kc7
  =  (0.13)   Depth: -1   00:00:08  1591kN
25.Bg2 Rf8 26.Kc2 Bb7 27.Bh3 f6 28.Be3 b4
  =  (0.21)   Depth: -1   00:00:08  1842kN
25.Bg2 b4 26.cxb4 axb4 27.Nxb4 Nxa3+ 28.bxa3 Bxb4 29.Ka1 Bxe1 30.Nxe1
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 9   00:00:16  3541kN
25.Bg2 b4 26.axb4 axb4 27.Nxb4 Bxb4 28.cxb4 Bb5 29.Kc2 Qa2 30.Nd2
  ³  (-0.48)   Depth: 9   00:00:19  4030kN
25.Bd3 Nc8
  ³  (-0.47)   Depth: 9   00:00:19  4335kN
25.Bd3 b4 26.axb4 Bb5 27.Bxc4 Nxc4 28.Kc2 axb4 29.Nxb4 Bxb4 30.cxb4
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 9   00:00:28  6146kN
25.Kc2 Nc8
  ³  (-0.45)   Depth: 9   00:00:28  6369kN
25.Kc2 Nc8 26.Kb1 b4 27.cxb4 axb4 28.a4 b3 29.Nc3 N8b6
  =  (-0.02)   Depth: 9   00:00:44  9628kN
25.Ka1 b4 26.cxb4 axb4 27.Nxb4 Bxb4 28.Qxb4 Nxe5 29.dxe5 Na4
  =  (-0.01)   Depth: 9   00:00:58  12580kN
25.Ka1 Nc8 26.Bxc4 bxc4 27.Qe2 Rb6 28.Rhg1 Rab8 29.Rge1 Qb7
  =  (-0.01)   Depth: 9   00:01:06  13944kN
25.Ka1 Ke8 26.Bg2 Nd7 27.Bd2 Nxd2 28.Qxd2 b4 29.cxb4 axb4 30.a4
  =  (0.01)   Depth: 10   00:01:29  17747kN
25.Ka1 Ke8 26.Nh2 Bc8 27.f4 b4 28.fxg5 bxa3 29.gxh6 axb2+ 30.Bxb2 Ba6 31.Nf3
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 11   00:03:21  40524kN
25.Ka1 Bc8 26.Bd3 b4 27.Bc2 bxa3 28.b3 Nb2 29.Bxb2 axb2+ 30.Kxb2 a4 31.b4
  =  (0.02)   Depth: 12   00:06:58  83248kN
25.Ka1 Bc8 26.Qe2 b4 27.Qc2 bxa3 28.b3 Nb2 29.Bxb2 axb2+ 30.Kxb2 a4 31.b4 a3+
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 13   00:12:36  160318kN
25.Ka1 b4 26.cxb4 axb4 27.Nxb4 Nxb2 28.Nxa6 N6c4 29.Bxc4 dxc4 30.Nxb8+ Qxb8
31.Bxb2 Bxa3 32.Qd2 Bxb2+ 33.Kb1 Bxd4+ 34.Qb4 Qxb4+ 35.Kc2
  ³  (-0.64)   Depth: 14   00:32:54  416611kN
25.Ka1 b4 26.Nd2 Nxd2 27.Bxd2 bxa3 28.b3 Bxf1 29.Rxf1 a4 30.b4 Nc4 31.f4
  -+  (-1.42)   Depth: 14   00:49:27  626942kN
25.Kc2 b4 26.cxb4 axb4 27.Nxb4 Bb5 28.Nd2 Bxb4 29.axb4 Nxd2 30.Bxb5 Nf3 31.Bxc6+
Kxc6 32.Qc3+ Nc4 33.Qxf3 Nxb2
  -+  (-1.41)   Depth: 14   00:52:51  676729kN
25.Kc2 b4 26.cxb4 axb4 27.Nxb4 Bb5 28.Rd3 Qa4+ 29.Kb1 Na5 30.Rd1 Bxf1 31.Rxf1
  µ  (-0.94)   Depth: 14   01:08:55  902613kN
25.Bxc4 bxc4 26.Ka1 Na4 27.Rd2 Qb6 28.Qd1 Bxa3 29.Qxa4 Bxb2+ 30.Bxb2 Qxd4
  µ  (-0.93)   Depth: 14   01:34:42  1255879kN
25.Bxc4 Nxc4 26.b4 axb4 27.cxb4 Bb7 28.Rd3 Rf8 29.Qe2 Qa4 30.Re1 Ke8 31.Nd2 f5
32.f3 f4
  µ  (-0.73)   Depth: 14   01:43:17  1368155kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 01.12.2001)


Analysis by Junior 7:

25.a4 Nxa4
  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 3   00:00:01
25.Bd3 Qc7 26.Bc2 Na4 27.Bxa4 bxa4
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  14kN
25.Bd3 Qc7 26.Bc2 Na4 27.Bxa4 bxa4
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  14kN
25.Bd3 Qc7 26.Bc2 Na4 27.Bxa4 bxa4
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  14kN
25.Bd3 Qc7 26.Bc2 Na4 27.Bxa4 bxa4
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  14kN
25.Bd3 Qc7 26.Bc2 Na4 27.Bxa4 bxa4
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  14kN
25.Bd3 a4 26.Nb4 Bb7 27.Nc2 Kc7
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 12   00:00:01  171kN
25.Bd3 b4 26.cxb4 axb4 27.Bxc4 Nxc4 28.a4 Bc8 29.b3 Na3+ 30.Bxa3 bxa3 31.Qc3
  µ  (-0.98)   Depth: 15   00:00:07  3607kN
25.Nd2 b4 26.Nxc4 Nxc4 27.cxb4 axb4 28.a4 Bc8 29.b3 Na3+ 30.Bxa3 bxa3 31.Qc3
  µ  (-0.96)   Depth: 15   00:00:12  6418kN
25.Nxg5 hxg5 26.Rh3 Rh8 27.h6 Qb8 28.h7 Qf8 29.Qe2
  µ  (-0.82)   Depth: 15   00:00:34  18570kN
25.Bd2 Nxd2+ 26.Qxd2 b4 27.cxb4 axb4 28.Nxb4 Bxf1 29.Rdxf1 Nc4 30.Qc3 Bxb4
31.axb4 Qa2+ 32.Kc1
  µ  (-0.79)   Depth: 15   00:00:42  22973kN
25.Rd3 Nxa3+
  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 15   00:00:52  28715kN
25.Kc2 b4 26.cxb4 axb4 27.Nxb4 Bb5 28.Nd3 Qa4+ 29.Kc3 Qa5+ 30.b4 Qa4 31.Nc5+
Bxc5 32.dxc5
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 15   00:00:58  31792kN
25.Ka1 b4 26.cxb4 Nxb2 27.b5 Nxd1 28.bxa6 Nc4 29.Qxd1 Nxa3 30.Nc3 Qb6
  =  (-0.10)   Depth: 15   00:00:59  32776kN
25.Ka1 b4 26.cxb4 Nxb2 27.b5 Nxd1 28.bxa6 Nc4 29.Qxd1 Qb6 30.Nc3 Bxa3 31.Bxc4
Bb2+
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 18   00:01:36  51167kN
25.Ka1 b4
  ³  (-0.59)   Depth: 20   00:07:11  223711kN
25.Ka1 b4 26.cxb4 axb4 27.Rh3 b3 28.Bxc4 Nxc4 29.Nc3 Bxa3 30.bxa3 b2+ 31.Bxb2
Nxb2 32.Rd2 Nc4 33.Rd1 Nxa3
  -+  (-1.44)   Depth: 21   00:25:03  742310kN
25.b4 axb4 26.Bxc4 bxc4 27.Nxb4 Bxb4 28.cxb4 Na4 29.Qd2 c3 30.Qc2 Rf8 31.Rde1
Bc4 32.Qh7 Bb3 33.Qxh6
  µ  (-1.13)   Depth: 21   00:45:20  1335702kN
25.Bxc4 Nxc4 26.b4 axb4 27.cxb4 Bc8 28.Rd3 Ke8 29.Qc3 Rb6 30.Qc2 Ra6 31.Nd2 c5
  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 21   01:38:35  3026137kN
25.Bxc4 Nxc4 26.b4 axb4 27.cxb4 Bc8 28.Rd3 Ke8 29.Qc3 Rb6 30.Qc2 Ra6 31.Nd2 c5
  µ  (-0.95)   Depth: 21   01:45:03  3229243kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 30.11.2001)



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