Author: Don Dailey
Date: 13:37:09 06/04/98
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I really like Ed Schroder's highly structured format, and fair testing methodology. And I fully support it because it represents a very common platform, Window's on Intel. But I think we need an "open" competition too. More and more programs are running on Alpha's, not to mention a few on other platforms and OS's. I hope CCTF considers this. If so, I'm fully supportive. Ed's testing methodology seems superb and I would recommend adapting some of it's principles, especially strict control of the pairings. This could be the official rating organization for computer chess and Ed's organization could peacefully coexist for evaluating commercial pc software. - Don On June 04, 1998 at 11:19:38, Komputer Korner wrote: >On June 04, 1998 at 03:27:29, Ed Schröder wrote: > >>>Posted by Komputer Korner on June 04, 1998 at 02:03:50: >> >>>With the perhaps imminent demise of the SSDF, See the below piece of >>>news from Bert Seifriz at GambitSoft: >> >>>"Ed Schröder makes his own list now, Millennium GmbH, a chess firm >>>here, publish also their own lists. Without saying anything about >>>their evaluations, all the people who criticize the Swedish list >>>should know that the Swedes might give up soon. >> >>>In a letter to us they promised to carry on until the end of this year, >> >>I can tell you that this information has nothing to do with the >>current problems. I received the above information on February 9, so >>before the last SSDF list came out, so before all the trouble started. >> >>>but afterwards the Swedish list might die which would be a pity! - 6/2/98" >> >> >> >>>I am announcing an organization called CCTF which would stand for >>>Computer Chess Testing Foundation. >> >>I applaud to your initiative. Hope you can make it a success. >> >> >>>We could start off testing and rating the winboard engines and then >>>the >>>Fritz engines (Fritz, Hiarcs, Junior, and Doctor) and the commercial >>>programs and who knows what else in >>>the future? As for the commercial programs I propose to allow only >>>those programs to be tested that have publicly available autotesters. >>>I applaud Ed Schroder's efforts on this behalf, but I feel that an >>>independent organization is needed or else there will be suspicion in >>>the end about Ed's methods. I believe Ed is a truly honorable man but >>>the other programmers won't stand for an "Independent" testing >>>organization being controlled by a single competitor (Ed himself). >> >>I like to answer this with the official text from my home page: >> >> [ begin quote] >> >> The very first thing that will be improved is to move the CCL >> list to an independent company, institution or organization >> to ensure the creditability AND a continuation for years of >> this computer-computer competition. >> >> At the moment the CCL competition is running in the office of >> the Schroder BV, producer of Rebel. It's our first goal with >> the highest priority to move the CCL competition to an independent >> organization free from any commercial bindings with any of the >> involved participants. >> >> We will take 6 months for this process. If we do not manage in >> these 6 months to move the CCL list to an independent organization >> the CCL list will stop to exist. >> >> Q: Why is Schröder BV doing this and not somebody else? >> >> A: The last years too many interesting computer chess events >> disappeared. We believe this is not good for our sport (hobby). >> Whenever we talk about new ideas with possible candidates we >> have experienced that in the end nothing is done due to lack of >> time and/or financials. Therefore we started this initiative of >> our own. This will make it easier for serious candidates to jump >> on a running train. >> >> [ end quote ] >> >>Like to add that I am currently talking to 3 serious candidates to take >>over CCL. >> >>- Ed - >> >> >>>There are at least 2 others doing extensive testing with a number of >>>programs and one of them is the famous SHEP. Perhaps he would >>>graciously accept to join CCTF and be on the board of directors of >>>CCTF. And of course Enrique Irazoqui just has to say when and he will >>>be on the board (and in all probability chairman if he wants the >>>post). If anybody can come up with a constitution and if anybody wants >>>to be statistician please respond to this post. For commercial >>>programs testers need 2 exact computers. The beauty of testing in >>>Winboard and the Fritz GUI however is that you only need 1 computer >>>with of course pondering turned off. And of course testing is all >>>automatic so once you get setup there isn't much work. Might as well >>>have your computers run overnight when they have nothing to do. The idea >>>is to have MAC programs also tested and the rating link to this would be >>>Hiarcs 6 Mac version. >>> >>>-- >>>-- >>>Komputer Korner >>>The inkompetent komputer >>> >>>To send email take the 1 out of my address. My email address is >>>korner1@netcom.ca but take the 1 out before sending the email. > > >I too do not want to see the SSDF die, but if it does, I would think >that the CCTF would move in to take it's place as regards commercial >program testing. Perhaps Ed's contacts and/or the CCL can amalgamate >with the CCTF to have a truly worldwide testing organization independent >of any influence. If Eric Hallsworth's group is interested and SHEP as >well, perhaps a cyber meeting of all concerned individuals could be >arranged.
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