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Subject: Re: Endgame Test Position

Author: pavel

Date: 22:17:27 12/01/01

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On December 01, 2001 at 23:53:30, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>I am working on an endgame test suite, and finding it surprisingly difficult to
>get good test positions.  It is interesting that many of the positions found in
>chess books either have a dual solution, or (less common) the solution has a
>mistake.
>
>Take the following position for example:
>
>[D]8/3n1pkp/6p1/1P1N4/3K2P1/7P/8/8 w - -
>
>Chigorin - Marshall, Karlsbad 1907
>
>Chigorin played the thematic 1.g5!, which clearly wins as it prevents any black
>counter-play.
>
>But I think that most computers will initially prefer 1.b6, and it is unclear if
>this is winning or not.  I think tablebases could be quite useful here, so
>perhaps someone could run crafty/yace/fritz/tiger etc on it for a decent amount
>of time.
>
>One possible attempted defence is 1.b6 f5 2.gf gf 3.b7, it might be worth
>starting a search from there.
>
>cheers,
>Peter

I think you are right. But I will give it some more time.



Analysis by Yace 0.99.60:

1.b6
  ±  (1.36)   depth: 1   00:00:07
1.b6 f5
  ±  (1.18)   depth: 2   00:00:07
1.b6 f5 2.b7 Nb8
  ±  (1.34)   depth: 3   00:00:07
1.b6 f5 2.b7 Nb8 3.Ke5
  ±  (1.32)   depth: 4   00:00:07
1.b6 f5 2.b7 h5 3.gxh5 gxh5
  ±  (1.35)   depth: 5   00:00:07  2kN
1.b6 f5 2.b7 fxg4 3.hxg4 h5 4.gxh5 gxh5
  ±  (1.26)   depth: 6   00:00:07  5kN
1.b6 f5 2.gxf5 gxf5 3.b7 Kf7 4.h4 Nb8 5.h5
  ±  (1.28)   depth: 7   00:00:07  23kN
1.b6 f5 2.gxf5 gxf5 3.b7 Kf7 4.h4 Nb8 5.Ke5 Kg6
  ±  (1.21)   depth: 8   00:00:07  47kN
1.b6 f5 2.gxf5 gxf5 3.b7 Kf7 4.Nb6 Nb8 5.Ke5 Kg6 6.Nd5 h5
  ±  (1.16)   depth: 9   00:00:09  84kN
1.b6 Kh6 2.h4 f5 3.g5+ Kg7 4.b7 Nb8 5.Ke5 h6 6.Kf4
  ±  (1.08)   depth: 10   00:00:10  579kN
1.g5 f5 2.gxf6+ Nxf6
  ±  (1.09)   depth: 10   00:00:10  579kN
1.g5 h6 2.Nf6 Nf8 3.b6 Ne6+ 4.Ke3 Nd8 5.h4 Nb7
  ±  (1.18)   depth: 10   00:00:10  579kN
1.g5 h6 2.Nf6 Nf8 3.Ne8+ Kh7 4.b6 Ne6+ 5.Kc4
  ±  (1.18)   depth: 11   00:00:10  963kN
1.g5 Kf8 2.b6 Kg7 3.b7 h6 4.h4 hxg5 5.hxg5 f5 6.gxf6+ Kh7
  +-  (1.41)   depth: 12   00:00:12  1702kN
1.g5 Kh8 2.Nf6 Nf8 3.Kd5 Ne6 4.b6 Nf4+ 5.Ke5 Ng2 6.Kd6 Kg7
  +-  (1.50)   depth: 13   00:00:15  3944kN
1.b6 Kh6 2.b7 Kg5 3.Nb4 f5 4.gxf5 Kh4 5.f6 Kxh3
  +-  (1.51)   depth: 13   00:00:17  6176kN
1.b6 Kh6 2.b7 Kg5 3.Nb4 f5 4.gxf5 h5 5.fxg6 Nc5
  +-  (1.81)   depth: 13   00:00:20  7748kN
1.b6 Kh6 2.b7 f5 3.gxf5 gxf5 4.h4 Nb8 5.Ke5 Kh5 6.Kxf5 Kxh4 7.Nf6 Kg3 8.Nxh7 Kf3
  +-  (1.90)   depth: 13   00:00:22  9223kN
1.b6 f5 2.gxf5 gxf5 3.b7 Kf7 4.Nb4 Nb8 5.Kd5 f4 6.Nc6 f3 7.Ne5+ Ke7 8.Nxf3 h5
  +-  (2.05)   depth: 14   00:00:34  18288kN
1.b6 f5 2.gxf5 gxf5 3.b7 Kf7 4.Nb4 Nb8 5.Kd5 f4 6.Nc6 f3 7.Ne5+ Ke7 8.Nxf3 Kd7
9.Ne5+ Kc7
  +-  (2.05)   depth: 15   00:00:49  28761kN
1.b6 f5 2.gxf5 gxf5 3.b7 Kh6 4.h4 Kg6 5.Ke3 Nb8 6.Kf4 Kh5
  +-  (1.97)   depth: 16   00:01:28  54472kN
1.b6 f5 2.gxf5 gxf5 3.b7 Kf7 4.h4 h6 5.Kc4 Ke6 6.Nc7+ Ke5 7.Na6 f4 8.b8Q+ Nxb8
  +-  (1.90)   depth: 17   00:03:03  122760kN
1.g5 h6 2.Nf6 Nb8 3.Ne8+ Kg8 4.gxh6 Nd7 5.Kd5 f5 6.Kd6 Nb6 7.Nf6+ Kf7 8.h7 Nc8+
9.Kc7 Ke6
  +-  (1.91)   depth: 17   00:03:19  134019kN
1.g5 f5 2.gxf6+ Kf7 3.b6 Nxb6 4.Nxb6 Kxf6 5.Ke3 Kg5 6.Kf2 Kh4 7.Nc4 g5 8.Nb6 h5
9.Kg2 g4 10.Na8
  +-  (1.90)   depth: 17   00:03:53  157672kN
1.b6 f5 2.gxf5 gxf5 3.b7 Kf7 4.h4 h6 5.Kc4 Ke6 6.Nc7+ Ke5 7.Na6 f4 8.b8Q+ Nxb8
  +-  (1.90)   depth: 17   00:03:53  157672kN
1.b6 f5 2.gxf5 gxf5 3.b7 Kf7 4.h4 h6 5.Nb4 f4 6.Nd3 Nb8 7.Nxf4 Ke7
  +-  (2.05)   depth: 18   00:08:26  353608kN

(Mahamood, home 02.12.2001)





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