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Subject: Re: Endgame Test Position

Author: Ernst Walet

Date: 00:16:18 12/02/01

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Fritz7.002 plays g5 right from the beginning, and sticks to it after completing
22 ply.

Ernst.


New game
8/3n1pkp/6p1/1P1N4/3K2P1/7P/8/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fritz 7:

1.g5!
  +-  (2.07)   Depth: 11/20   00:00:00  189kN
1.g5 h6 2.Nf6 Nb8 3.h4 hxg5 4.hxg5 Kf8 5.b6 Ke7 6.Kd5 Kd8
  +-  (2.13)   Depth: 11/22   00:00:00  240kN
1.g5 h6 2.Nf6 Nb8 3.h4 hxg5 4.hxg5 Kf8 5.b6 Ke7 6.Kd5 Kd8 7.Kd6
  +-  (2.25)   Depth: 12/23   00:00:00  415kN
1.g5 h6 2.Nf6 Nb8 3.h4 hxg5 4.hxg5 Kf8 5.Ke4 Ke7 6.Kd5 Kd8 7.Kd6 Kc8
  +-  (2.00)   Depth: 13/23   00:00:01  627kN, tb=7
1.g5!
  +-  (2.29)   Depth: 14/27   00:00:02  1269kN, tb=17
1.g5 f5 2.gxf6+ Kf7 3.b6 g5 4.b7 h5 5.Nb6 Nb8 6.Ke5 g4 7.Nc4 gxh3 8.Nd6+
  +-  (2.41)   Depth: 15/27   00:00:05  3145kN, tb=47
1.g5 f5 2.Nf6 Nb6 3.Kc5 Na4+ 4.Kc6 h6 5.h4 hxg5 6.hxg5 f4 7.b6 Nxb6 8.Kxb6
  +-  (2.32)   Depth: 16/29   00:00:12  6468kN, tb=149
1.g5 f5 2.Nf6 Nb6 3.Kc5 Na4+ 4.Kc6 Kf7 5.Nd5 Ke6 6.Nc3 Nb2 7.b6 Nd3 8.b7
  +-  (2.35)   Depth: 17/28   00:00:21  11387kN, tb=326
1.g5 f5 2.Nf6 Nb6 3.Kc5 Na4+ 4.Kc6 Kf7 5.b6 Nxb6 6.Kxb6 h6 7.h4 Ke6 8.Kc5
  +-  (2.35)   Depth: 18/31   00:00:39  20082kN, tb=820
1.g5 f5 2.Nf6 Nb6 3.Kc5 Na4+ 4.Kc6 Kf7 5.b6 Nxb6 6.Kxb6 f4 7.Kc5 Ke6 8.Kd4
  +-  (2.38)   Depth: 19/33   00:01:17  40523kN, tb=1773
1.g5 f5 2.Nf6 Nb6 3.Kc5 Na4+ 4.Kc6 Kf7 5.b6 Nxb6 6.Kxb6 h6 7.h4 Ke6 8.Kc5
  +-  (2.35)   Depth: 20/35   00:03:40  112108kN, tb=5242
1.g5 f5 2.Nf6 Nb6 3.h4 Kf7 4.Nxh7 f4 5.Nf6 Ke6 6.Ke4 Kd6 7.Kxf4 Kc5 8.Nh7
  +-  (2.50)   Depth: 21/37   00:10:12  322582kN, tb=16479
1.g5 f5 2.Nf6 Nb6 3.h4 Kf7 4.Nxh7 f4 5.Nf6 Ke6 6.Ke4 Kd6 7.Kxf4
  +-  (2.66)   Depth: 22/40   00:14:26  474535kN, tb=24788

(Celeron Tualatin 1,2 GHz, 832MB hash, 3,4 and 5 piece EGTB's 02.12.2001)


On December 01, 2001 at 23:53:30, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>I am working on an endgame test suite, and finding it surprisingly difficult to
>get good test positions.  It is interesting that many of the positions found in
>chess books either have a dual solution, or (less common) the solution has a
>mistake.
>
>Take the following position for example:
>
>[D]8/3n1pkp/6p1/1P1N4/3K2P1/7P/8/8 w - -
>
>Chigorin - Marshall, Karlsbad 1907
>
>Chigorin played the thematic 1.g5!, which clearly wins as it prevents any black
>counter-play.
>
>But I think that most computers will initially prefer 1.b6, and it is unclear if
>this is winning or not.  I think tablebases could be quite useful here, so
>perhaps someone could run crafty/yace/fritz/tiger etc on it for a decent amount
>of time.
>
>One possible attempted defence is 1.b6 f5 2.gf gf 3.b7, it might be worth
>starting a search from there.
>
>cheers,
>Peter



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