Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 13:59:52 12/02/01
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On December 02, 2001 at 16:41:12, Uri Blass wrote:
>On December 02, 2001 at 15:45:17, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On December 02, 2001 at 15:21:32, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On December 02, 2001 at 14:26:44, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 02, 2001 at 10:45:54, Mogens Larsen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 01, 2001 at 13:34:54, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Naturally, Gandalf is an excellent engine. Not only that, but Gandalf is also in
>>>>>>my team, the Schröder team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>However I don't think Steen wants to get a good performance because its opponent
>>>>>>has been crippled. I guess that, like me, he want to perform well when fair
>>>>>>conditions have been set.
>>>>>
>>>>>Just to be precise. Gambit Tiger wasn't crippled. Two programs had identical
>>>>>resources available. If one of them is less capable of utilizing this fact, then
>>>>>it's too bad. Using a lot of time bickering about one match seems like a
>>>>>profound waste of time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Mogens
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It's not just about equal conditions.
>>>>
>>>>It's about setting the programs so their real strength can be measured.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not asking to get unfair favorable conditions for my program. I'm just
>>>>asking for a correct setup to be used.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Christophe
>>>
>>>Did you tell the ssdf guys about the correct setup before the games?
>>>
>>>I think that fair conditions could be to give tiger less tablebases relative to
>>>the opponents(only 4 piece tablebases and 5 piece tablebases with no pawns)
>>>
>>>Giving tiger all the tablebases is unfair when the opponents do not have all the
>>>tablebases and giving tiger no tablebases is also not the best setup.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>>
>>It must be the third or fourth time that I have to repeat that I do not want to
>>benefit from unfair conditions.
>>
>>Obviously you didn't read my messages.
>>
>>I prefer that only 3 men TBs are installed instead of partial 4 men.
>>
>>I prefer that they install complete 4 men TBs instead of partial 5 men.
>>
>>I prefer that they use no TBs at all instead of installing a partial set.
>
>I think that they use all the 4 piece tablebases.
>
>I also think that there is no problem if they use some 5 piece tablebases with
>no pawns and all the 4 piece tablebases.
>
>I do not see reason to prefer only complete 4 piece TBs and not also some
>tablebases of 5 pieces with no pawns like KRB vs KR but if you say you prefer
>only complete 4 piece tablebases then they should use only them.
>
>Uri
I said that for simplicity because I have been repeating my point of view
several times and apparently it was not clear enough.
You are right that some combinations of partial TBs including all the 4 men plus
some of the 5 men will work.
But that's getting complicated and I can understand that the testers might
object that it is getting too complex to handle.
However the rule which says that ALL 4-men TBs must be installed, or that at
least ALL 3-men TBS must be installed, is simpler and so shouldn't be difficult
to follow. Likewise, if they want to install the 5-men TBs on a computer that
has sufficient HD space, they should install the complete set.
Also it should be obvious now that I am not demanding unfair conditions giving
an advantage to my program. I'm not asking the testers to install more TBs for
Chess Tiger that for the competitors. I'm just asking for a consistent set to be
installed.
Christophe
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