Author: Roy Eassa
Date: 11:08:44 12/03/01
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On December 01, 2001 at 18:09:25, James Stacey wrote: >On December 01, 2001 at 15:47:02, Roy Eassa wrote: > >>On December 01, 2001 at 07:47:24, James Stacey wrote: >> >>>If you don't mind me saying, your post looks a bit like sour grapes. Why can't >>>you just admit that Gambit Tiger is no stronger than Gandalf. Instead of trying >>>to find excuses, why don't you give some credit to Gandalf. I am sure that many >>>hours of time have gone into the programming and testing of Gandalf also. >>> >> >> >>How do you account for the fact that Tiger has come out significantly ahead of >>Gandalf in about 95% of the dozens of tournaments run in the past 1/2 year? >>There is a lot of evidence that Tiger is stronger. > >Please post this so called evidence along with setups and the tablebases used. > A frequent reader of this message board would have seen dozens of such tournaments posted here. Since you accused Christophe of "sour grapes" (i.e., lying), perhaps you should spend the hours required to dig out each tournament result posted and make a case that Gandalf has consistently equaled or exceeded the Tiger programs. >> >>Do you consider it IMPOSSIBLE that Christophe may be correct that Tiger was >>unfairly crippled in this match? > >Lots of improbable things are not impossible. > That is one point I agree with. However, why do you think it's improbable that Christope is inaccurate about Tiger's having been incorrectly configured? He has a clear set of criteria for what is a proper configuration, and says that these criteria were NOT met in this match -- i.e., Tiger was crippled. It's really quite simple. >> >>When Bobby Fischer complained in the '60s that Soviet grandmasters were >>discussing each others' ongoing games in detail (in Russian) at tournaments, he >>was not taken seriously. > >Do you take Fischers' current complaints about America seriously? > What do Fischer's (the apostrophe goes before the s to denote singular possession) current rantings have to do with whether or not he was proven correct in his claim from the 1960s? I never said that everything ever claimed by Fischer is correct; I showed that some at least one ridiculed claim of unfairness in chess competition turned out to have been true. > During the '80s & '90s, several Soviet & former Soviet >>GMs, admitted that Fischer had been correct. (If I recall correctly, Bronstein >>and Korchnoi were among those. And wasn't Keres the first?) > >Are you saying that the SSDF are involved in some sort of absurd communist plot >to stop Gambit Tiger from winning? > Once again you have changed the subject entirely. In an analogy, each party REPRESENTS a corresponding party in the original situation. I'm sorry if you did not understand that. Thus the cheating of the Soviet players is analogous to the improper configuration of Tiger. It does not mean that the SSDF are communists. The analogy was extended for the purpose of demonstrating that there is at least one historical precedent in which accusations of unfairness in chess were proven true. (If you are a young child who has not learned about analogies in school yet, I apologize. You might wish to fill in your CCC profile so readers know your age.) >> >>Not all claims of unfairness are sour grapes. Some happen to be objectively >>accurate. > >There is no such thing as objectivety. > There is no objective truth?? In that case, any and all arguments are a complete waste of time. But if that's not what you meant, let me explain: I didn't say that there are people who are always 100% objective. I said that there are claims that are objectively true, just as their are claims that are objectively false. You have accused Christophe of lying when he made his simple claim that Tiger was configured incorrectly. The truth of his claim is quite simple to verify. If his claim is true, will you be proven wrong and should retract your accusation of lying. (Even if his claim is false, lying would be only one of the possible reasons.) Best regards, -Roy.
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