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Subject: Re: yace(only material) can see 0.00 (deeper blue-kasparov after Qe3)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 11:54:32 12/03/01

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On December 03, 2001 at 10:31:45, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On December 03, 2001 at 07:39:53, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>Here is some analysis(I also post previous analysis before Qe3 when it could not
>>see the draw even after finishing iteration 18):
>
>The question is this:  Does it see where black can _force_ the draw?  (I
>seriously doubt it as it is 60 plies deep) or does it see a position where
>it thinks white is worse and would therefore agree to a draw, when white is
>really not worse?  IE I wouldn't trust a "material-only" score under any
>circumstances, since so many scores are 0.00 when in fact one side is winning
>easily.

I gave it to analyze for more time and it does not keep the 0.00 score but the
score is still better than the alternative and is only 1 pawn for white but it
is still better than 2 pawns for white that is the result of the alternative

[D]1r6/5kp1/R1Qb1p1p/1p1PpP2/1Pp1B3/2P1q2P/6P1/5K2 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

46.Qxd6 Qxe4
  +-  (1.60)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
46.Qxd6 Qxe4
  +-  (1.60)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
46.Qxd6 Qxe4 47.Ra7+ Rb7 48.Rxb7+ Ke8
  +-  (2.00)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
46.Qxd6 Rg8 47.Qe6+ Kf8
  +-  (3.50)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.Bf3 Qxc3
  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.Bf3 Qc1+ 48.Kf2 Qxc3
  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 5   00:00:00  22kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.Bf3 Qc1+ 48.Kf2 Qd2+ 49.Be2 Qf4+ 50.Kg1
  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  61kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.Bf3 Qc1+ 48.Kf2 Qd2+ 49.Be2 Qf4+ 50.Ke1 Qxf5 51.Kd1
  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  186kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.Bf3 Qc1+ 48.Kf2 Qd2+ 49.Be2 Qf4+ 50.Kg1 Qe3+ 51.Kh2 Qxe2 52.Qxe5
  +-  (2.30)   Depth: 8   00:00:00  381kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.Bf3 Qc1+ 48.Kf2 Qd2+ 49.Be2 Qf4+ 50.Ke1 Qc1+ 51.Bd1 Qxc3+ 52.Kf2
Qd4+ 53.Ke2 Qe4+ 54.Kf1
  +-  (1.90)   Depth: 8   00:00:01  381kN
46.Qd7+ Be7 47.d6 Qf4+ 48.Kg1 Qe3+ 49.Kh2 Qf4+ 50.g3 Qxf5 51.Bxf5 Kg8
  +-  (1.91)   Depth: 8   00:00:01  577kN
46.Qd7+ Kg8 47.Qxd6 Rf8 48.Qe6+ Kh7 49.Bf3 Qxc3 50.Qe7 Qd3+ 51.Kf2
  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 8   00:00:02  577kN
46.Qd7+ Kg8 47.Qxd6 Rf8 48.Qe6+ Kh7 49.Qe7 Rg8 50.Bf3 Qc1+ 51.Kf2 Qc2+ 52.Kg1
Qxf5
  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 9   00:00:03  1558kN
46.Qd7+ Kg8 47.Qxd6 Rf8 48.Qe6+ Kh7 49.Qe7 Rg8 50.Bf3 Qc1+ 51.Kf2 Qc2+ 52.Kg1
Qxf5 53.Kh2
  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 10   00:00:09  4202kN
46.Qd7+ Kg8 47.Qxd6 Rf8 48.Bf3 Qxc3 49.Qe6+ Kh7 50.Qe7 Qd3+ 51.Kf2 Kg8 52.Ra7 g6
  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 11   00:00:27  13614kN
46.Qd7+ Kg8 47.Qxd6 Rf8 48.Bf3 Qxc3 49.Qe6+ Kh7 50.Qe7 Qd3+ 51.Kf2 Kg8 52.Ra7
Qd2+ 53.Kg1 Qc1+ 54.Kh2 Qf4+ 55.g3
  +-  (2.70)   Depth: 12   00:00:58  29542kN
46.Qd7+ Kg8 47.Qxd6 Rf8 48.Bf3 Qc1+ 49.Kf2 Qd2+ 50.Kg1 Qc1+ 51.Kh2 Qf4+ 52.g3
Qxf3 53.Qxf6
  +-  (2.30)   Depth: 13   00:02:22  73778kN
46.Qd7+ Kg8 47.Qxd6 Rf8 48.Qe6+ Kh7 49.Qe7 Qxe4 50.Rxf6 Rxf6 51.Kf2
  ±  (1.30)   Depth: 13   00:02:56  91040kN
46.Qd7+ Kg8 47.Qxd6 Rf8 48.Qe6+ Kh7 49.Bf3 Qc1+ 50.Ke2 Qb2+ 51.Kd1 Qb1+ 52.Kd2
Qb2+ 53.Ke1 Qxc3+ 54.Kf2 Qd2+ 55.Kg1 Qc1+ 56.Kh2 Qf4+ 57.Kh1 Qc1+ 58.Kh2 Qf4+
59.Kh1 Qc1+ 60.Kh2
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13   00:03:54  120417kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 Qc1+ 48.Ke2 Qb2+ 49.Kd1 Qb3+ 50.Kd2 Qb2+ 51.Bc2 Rd8 52.Qxd8
Qxb4
  =  (0.01)   Depth: 13   00:05:56  182067kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 Re7 48.Bf3 Qc1+ 49.Kf2 Qd2+ 50.Kg3 Qe1+ 51.Kg4 h5+ 52.Kxh5 Qg3
53.Be4 Qe1 54.Bc2 Qe2+ 55.g4 Qxc2
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 13   00:07:06  217175kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 Re7 48.Bf3 Qc1+ 49.Kf2 Qd2+ 50.Kg3 Qe1+ 51.Kg4 h5+ 52.Kxh5 Qg3
53.Qe6+ Rxe6 54.dxe6+ Kf8 55.Ra8+ Ke7 56.Ra7+ Ke8 57.Bc6+ Kf8 58.e7+ Kg8 59.e8Q+
Kh7
  ±  (1.20)   Depth: 14   00:16:57  511832kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 h5 48.Bf3 Qc1+ 49.Kf2 Qd2+ 50.Be2 Qf4+ 51.Ke1 Qc1+ 52.Bd1
Qxc3+ 53.Kf1 Qc1 54.Ra7+
  ±  (1.20)   Depth: 14   00:18:50  567641kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 h5 48.Bf3 Qc1+ 49.Kf2 Qd2+ 50.Be2 Qf4+ 51.Ke1 Qc1+ 52.Bd1
Qxc3+ 53.Kf1 Qc1 54.Ra7+ Kg8 55.Ke2 Qb2+ 56.Ke3 Qc1+ 57.Kf3 Qxd1+ 58.Kg3
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 15   00:38:29  1120485kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 h5 48.Bf3 Qc1+ 49.Kf2 Qd2+ 50.Be2 Qf4+ 51.Ke1 Qc1+ 52.Bd1
Qxc3+ 53.Kf1 Qc1 54.Ra7+ Kg8 55.Ke2 Qb2+ 56.Ke1 Qc3+ 57.Kf1 Qc1 58.Ke2 Qb2+
59.Ke1 Qc3+ 60.Kf1 Qc1
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15   00:48:38  1415959kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 h5 48.Bf3 Qc1+ 49.Kf2 Qd2+ 50.Be2 Qf4+ 51.Kg1 Qc1+ 52.Kh2 Qxc3
  ²  (0.40)   Depth: 16   02:13:13  3876002kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 Qxe4 48.Ra7+ Kg8 49.Qd7 Qd3+ 50.Kg1 Qe3+ 51.Kh2 Re7 52.Qc8+
Kh7 53.Rxe7 Qf4+ 54.Kh3 Qe3+ 55.g3 Qe1 56.Rxg7+ Kxg7 57.Qd7+
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 16   02:38:20  335952kN
46.Qxd6 Re8 47.h4 Qxe4 48.Ra7+ Kg8 49.Qd7 Qd3+ 50.Kg1 Re7 51.Qc8+ Kh7 52.Rxe7
Qxc3 53.Kh2 Qd4 54.Rxg7+ Kxg7 55.Qd7+ Kh8 56.Qe8+ Kg7 57.Qg6+ Kf8 58.Qxh6+ Ke7
59.Qg7+ Kd6 60.Qxf6+ Kxd5
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 17   05:07:21  568758kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 03.12.2001)

Uri



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