Author: Roy Eassa
Date: 12:29:31 12/03/01
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On December 03, 2001 at 15:12:18, Dann Corbit wrote: >On December 03, 2001 at 15:08:49, Roy Eassa wrote: > >>On December 03, 2001 at 12:02:35, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote: >> >>>From Belgium, with love: >>> >>>Sjeng: go >>>Middlegame phase. >>>Clearing hash... >>>Time for move : 1200000 >>> 2 9 103 392 exd6 Qxd6 c5 >>> 2 9 103 698 exd6 Qxd6 c5 >>> 3 6 105 1762 exd6 Qxd6 c5 Qf6 >>> 3 7 106 2881 Bxh5 ! >>> 3 30 107 4275 Bxh5 fxg3 Bxg6+ Kg8 Nxf5 >>> 4 15 112 10849 Bxh5 gxh5 Nxf5 Qe6 Nxd6+ Kh8 >>> 4 15 116 15482 Bxh5 gxh5 Nxf5 Qe6 Nxd6+ Kh8 >>> 5 -18 121 21699 Bxh5 ?? >>> 5 -27 144 64027 Bxh5 gxh5 Nxf5 Qe6 d5 Qg6 >>> 5 -27 157 90907 Bxh5 gxh5 Nxf5 Qe6 d5 Qg6 >>> 6 -21 175 131271 Bxh5 gxh5 Nxf5 Qe6 exd6 Qg6 Bh4 Nxd6 >>> 6 -20 183 152616 exd6 ! >>> 6 -12 224 237872 exd6 Qxd6 Bf2 Kg8 c5 Qf6 d5 >>> 7 -9 291 408932 exd6 Qxd6 Bf2 Kg8 d5 Nde5 dxc6 Qxc6 Nd5 >>> 7 -9 478 789475 exd6 Qxd6 Bf2 Kg8 d5 Nde5 dxc6 Qxc6 Nd5 >>> 8 -18 633 1158216 exd6 Qxd6 Bf2 Kg8 d5 Qf6 dxc6 bxc6 Nf3 Nde5 Nxe5 >>>[Qxe5] >>> 8 -17 757 1460235 Bxh5 ! >>> 8 19 1303 2681531 Nxg6 ! >>> 8 24 1320 2732459 Nxg6 !! >>> 8 66 1560 3239075 Nxg6 Kxg6 Qxf5+ Kg7 Bd3 Rg8 e6 fxg3 Qh7+ Kf8 exf7 >>>Be3+ Kh1 Rg5 >>> 8 66 1664 3450000 Nxg6 Kxg6 Qxf5+ Kg7 Bd3 Rg8 e6 fxg3 Qh7+ Kf8 exf7 >>>Be3+ Kh1 Rg5 >>> 9 78 2460 4769546 Nxg6 Kxg6 Qxf5+ Kg7 Bd3 Rh8 Qg6+ Kf8 exd6 Qg5 Re7 >>>Nxd6 Qxg5 Bxg5 >>> 9 78 3099 6153364 Nxg6 Kxg6 Qxf5+ Kg7 Bd3 Rh8 Qg6+ Kf8 exd6 Qg5 Re7 >>>Nxd6 Qxg5 Bxg5 >>>10 45 4603 8960391 Nxg6 ?? >>>10 18 9851 20020540 Nxg6 Kxg6 Qxf5+ Kg7 Bd3 Rh8 Qg6+ Kf8 exd6 Qxd6 Re6 >>>Qxd4+ Bf2 Qg7 Bf5 Qxg6 Bxg6 >>>10 18 12704 26431747 Nxg6 Kxg6 Qxf5+ Kg7 Bd3 Rh8 Qg6+ Kf8 exd6 Qxd6 Re6 >>>Qxd4+ Bf2 Qg7 Bf5 Qxg6 Bxg6 >>>11 -3 21986 45151090 Nxg6 Kxg6 Qxf5+ Kg7 Bd3 Rh8 Qg6+ Kf8 e6 fxg3 exf7 >>>Qxf7 Qxd6+ Kg8 Qxg3+ Bg7 Rf1 Nf6 Qe5 >>>11 -3 32020 67109687 Nxg6 Kxg6 Qxf5+ Kg7 Bd3 Rh8 Qg6+ Kf8 e6 fxg3 exf7 >>>Qxf7 Qxd6+ Kg8 Qxg3+ Bg7 Rf1 Nf6 Qe5 >>> >>>13 seconds to find the move >>> >>>3.5 minutes to see the line including 23. e6! >>> >> >> >>Now you're talking! > >Not bad, the game of chess *solved* in 3.5 minutes. I guess we can move on to >'Go' now. Please allow me to distance myself from the whole "chess is nearly solved" thing. I never agreed with that part! Nor did I agree that this position is THE definitive test position -- there have been many other excellent ones posted here, and no single position (other than chess's opening position) can be that important. Even suites of dozens of excellent positions do not definitively rank a chess program, much less determine if chess is "nearly solved." My defense of Ali was limited to agreeing that it's OK to post a chess position and say that solving the associated "puzzle" involves not only finding move 1 (which is all that's required in traditional chess problems), but also the rest of the key line up to at least 5. e6 -- since it's HIS "puzzle" and not a standard chess problem, he should be allowed to say up front what the rules of the puzzle are. Its similarity to a standard chess problem unfortunately caused confusion. I can see that at least two programs (Galdalf and Phalanx) have indeed solved Ali's puzzle. Kudos to them! Many other engines have solved a standard chess problem that happens to begin with the same position. Now, what does this all prove? Nothing, of course!
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