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Subject: Re: Nice testposition from an ICC game Gromit-Bringer ( Tactics)

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 02:00:04 12/04/01

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On December 04, 2001 at 04:28:41, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 03, 2001 at 18:32:09, Ingo Bauer wrote:
>
>>On December 03, 2001 at 15:37:56, Peter Berger wrote:
>>
>>>Golem - Bringer1.9ß11
>>>[D]r5k1/4R1pp/2b2q2/2Bp4/p1p5/P4P2/1P1Q2PP/6K1 w - - 0 1 bm h4
>>>
>>>The account Golem is running a current version of Gromit on an Athlon 1400.
>>>
>>>In this position Gromit found the nice and surprising shot h4 - the only road to
>>>a winning advantage for white.
>>
>>Hello Peter
>>
>>This is was YACE, Deep Shredder and Gandalf 4.32h Thinks about it on the same
>>Hardware as Gromit. The only prog. that finds it in a resonable time is (besides
>>Gromit) of course YACE (anyone doubt that?).
>>
>>Yes indeed, its a nice position!
>>
>>Engine: Yace 0.99.60
>>by Dieter Buerssner
>>
>>  7.46	 0:00 	+0.32 	1.Rc7 Qe6 2.h3 Re8 3.Qd4 Bd7 4.b4 (608.087) 707.0
>>  8.01	 0:01 	+0.12 	1.Rc7 Qe6 2.h3 Re8 3.Qc3 Bd7 4.Qd4 Kh8 (923.899) 745.6
>>  8.02	 0:01 	+0.13++ 	1.Qe2 Qg6 2.Bd4 Re8 3.Bxg7 Rxe7 4.Qxe7 c3 (977.770) 742.9
>>  8.02	 0:02 	+0.28 	1.Qe2 Bb5 2.h3 Kh8 3.Qd2 Rd8 4.Qa5 Rb8 (1.507.583) 739.0
>>  8.03	 0:02 	+0.29++ 	1.h3 Kh8 2.Rxg7 Qxb2 3.Qxb2 c3 4.Qxc3 Re8 (1.803.160)
>>738.6
>>  8.03	 0:02 	+0.28-- 	1.h3 Rc8 2.Qe3 Qg6 3.Rc7 Rxc7 4.Bd4 (1.979.204) 737.1
>>  8.03	 0:02 	+0.28 	1.Qe2 Bb5 2.h3 Kh8 3.Qd2 Rd8 4.Qa5 Rb8 (1.979.204) 737.1
>>  8.22	 0:03 	+0.29++ 	1.Qe1 Qg6 2.Bd4 Re8 3.Bxg7 Bd7 4.Rxe8+ Kxg7 (2.497.660)
>>738.7
>>  8.22	 0:03 	+0.28-- 	1.Qe1 Bb5 2.b4 axb3 3.Re6 Qf5 4.Kf2 (2.718.185) 735.8
>>  8.22	 0:03 	+0.28 	1.Qe2 Bb5 2.h3 Kh8 3.Qd2 Rd8 4.Qa5 Rb8 (2.718.185) 735.8
>>  8.46	 0:04 	+0.28 	1.Qe2 Bb5 2.h3 Kh8 3.Qd2 Rd8 4.Qa5 Rb8 (3.314.340) 738.3
>>  9.01	 0:07 	+0.15 	1.Qe2 Rc8 2.h3 Qg6 3.Qf2 Re8 4.Rc7 Qe6 5.b4 (5.866.185)
>>752.2
>>  9.03	 0:09 	+0.16++ 	1.h3 Rc8 2.Qd4 Qxd4+ 3.Bxd4 c3 4.bxc3 Kf8 5.Rxg7 h5
>>(6.849.457) 756.5
>>  9.03	 0:11 	+0.33 	1.h3 Rd8 2.Rc7 Qg6 3.Qd1 h6 4.Be7 Re8 5.Qd4 (8.479.966)
>>748.3
>>  9.46	 0:13 	+0.33 	1.h3 Rd8 2.Rc7 Qg6 3.Qd1 h6 4.Be7 Re8 5.Qd4 (10.487.909)
>>762.0
>> 10.01	 0:17 	+0.56 	1.h3 Rc8 2.Ra7 Qh6 3.Qxh6 gxh6 4.Bd4 Bb7 5.Rxb7 Rc7
>>(13.531.121) 754.2
>> 10.46	 0:21 	+0.56 	1.h3 Rc8 2.Ra7 Qh6 3.Qxh6 gxh6 4.Bd4 Bb7 5.Rxb7 Rc7
>>(16.579.510) 760.9
>> 11.01	 0:33 	+0.81 	1.h3 h6 2.Qe3 Qg6 3.Bd4 Re8 4.Bxg7 Rxe7 5.Qxe7 Qxg7 6.Qe6+
>>Kh7 7.Qxc6 Qxb2 8.Qxd5 (24.988.676) 754.6
>> 11.46	 0:55 	+0.81 	1.h3 h6 2.Qe3 Qg6 3.Bd4 Re8 4.Bxg7 Rxe7 5.Qxe7 Qxg7 6.Qe6+
>>Kh7 7.Qxc6 Qxb2 8.Qxd5 (42.021.804) 759.5
>> 12.01	 1:12 	+0.56 	1.h3 Rc8 2.Qe3 Qg6 3.Bd4 Re8 4.Bxg7 Rxe7 5.Qxe7 Qxg7 6.Qe6+
>>Kf8 7.Qxc6 Qxb2 8.Qh6+ Kf7 9.Qxh7+ Ke6 (54.434.605) 753.5
>> 12.35	 2:16 	+0.57++ 	1.h4 Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Re1+ 5.Qxe1 Qxd4+
>>6.Qf2 Qd1+ 7.Kh2 Qb1 (102.002.024) 749.3
>> 12.35	 2:35 	+0.75 	1.h4 Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Re1+ 5.Qxe1 Qxd4+ 6.Kf1
>>Qf6 7.Qc3 Qxc3 8.bxc3 (116.356.480) 746.2
>> 12.46	 3:01 	+0.75 	1.h4 Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Re1+ 5.Qxe1 Qxd4+ 6.Kf1
>>Qf6 7.Qc3 Qxc3 8.bxc3 (134.590.702) 740.1
>> 13.01	 4:52 	+1.14 	1.h4 Rc8 2.Qe3 Qg6 3.h5 Qb1+ 4.Kh2 Qf5 5.Bd4 Qxh5+ 6.Kg1
>>Rc7 7.Rxc7 Qxf3 (213.189.225) 728.9
>> 13.46	 5:58 	+1.14 	1.h4 Rc8 2.Qe3 Qg6 3.h5 Qb1+ 4.Kh2 Qf5 5.Bd4 Qxh5+ 6.Kg1
>>Rc7 7.Rxc7 Qxf3 (263.186.085) 734.8
>> 14.01	13:14 	+1.17 	1.h4 Re8 2.Rxe8+ Bxe8 3.Qxd5+ Qf7 4.Qe4 h6 5.Bf2
>>(564.766.297) 710.9
>> 14.05	14:45 	+1.17 	1.h4 Re8 2.Rxe8+ Bxe8 3.Qxd5+ Qf7 4.Qe4 h6 5.Bf2
>>(633.113.364) 715.3
>>best move: h2-h4 time: 14:45.092 min  n/s: 715.327  nodes: 633.113.364
>
>
>Yace found it only for positional reasons

>I doubt if it is a good tactical position and I did not try to check if h4 Re8
>wins more than a pawn for white.

I gave yace only material to analyze the position after h4 and it says that c3
is not losing more than a pawn after few minutes

Qxh4 is also an interesting option and yace does not see a problem of more than
a pawn with it even at depth 14

New position
[D]r5k1/4R1pp/2b2q2/2Bp4/p1p4P/P4P2/1P1Q2P1/6K1 b - h3 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

1...Qxh4
  µ  (-0.80)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
1...Qxh4 2.Qd4
  µ  (-0.80)   Depth: 2   00:00:04
1...Qxh4 2.Qd4 Qxd4+ 3.Bxd4
  µ  (-0.80)   Depth: 3   00:00:04
1...Qxh4 2.Qd4 Qxd4+ 3.Bxd4 g5
  µ  (-0.80)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
1...Qxh4 2.Qd4 Qh6 3.Qd1 Ra6
  µ  (-0.80)   Depth: 5   00:00:05  5kN
1...Qxh4 2.Qd4 Qh6 3.Qd1 Ra6 4.b4
  µ  (-0.80)   Depth: 6   00:00:05  47kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Qh6 3.Qxh6 gxh6 4.Rxc6 c3
  ³  (-0.40)   Depth: 7   00:00:05  144kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 c3
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 7   00:00:05  144kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 c3 5.Bxf6
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 8   00:00:05  468kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Qh4 5.Rxg7+ Kf8 6.f4
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 9   00:00:06  794kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Re1+ 5.Qxe1 Qd8 6.Rxg7+ Kh8
  ²  (0.40)   Depth: 10   00:00:08  1969kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Re1+ 5.Qxe1 Qxd4+ 6.Kf1 Qd3+ 7.Kf2 Bb5 8.Rc8+
Kf7
  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 10   00:00:10  3218kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Re1+ 5.Qxe1 Qxd4+ 6.Kf1 Qd3+ 7.Kf2 Qc2+ 8.Ke3
Be8 9.Rc8 Kf7
  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 11   00:00:34  17292kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Qd6 5.Rxg7+ Kf8 6.Rxh7 Bd7 7.Bg7+ Kg8 8.Qc2
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 12   00:01:09  38533kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Qd6 5.Rxg7+ Kf8 6.Qg5 Re1+ 7.Kf2 Qd8 8.Qxd8+
Be8
  ±  (1.20)   Depth: 13   00:02:06  71270kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Re1+ 5.Qxe1 Qxd4+ 6.Qf2 Qf6
  ±  (1.20)   Depth: 13   00:02:52  97933kN
1...c3 2.Qxc3 Qxc3 3.bxc3 Be8 4.Bd4 Bf7 5.Bxg7 Kxg7 6.Kh2
  ±  (1.19)   Depth: 13   00:03:27  118775kN
1...c3 2.Qxc3 Qxc3 3.bxc3 Be8 4.Bd4 Bf7 5.Kh2 Kf8 6.Bc5 Kg8 7.Ra7 Rxa7 8.Bxa7
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 13   00:03:48  130108kN
1...c3 2.Qxc3 Qxc3 3.bxc3 Be8 4.Bd4 Bf7 5.Kh2 Kf8 6.Bc5 Kg8 7.Ra7 Rxa7 8.Bxa7
Be6
  ±  (0.80)   Depth: 14   00:06:43  231999kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Re1+ 5.Qxe1 Qxd4+ 6.Qf2 Qf6 7.Rxg7+ Qxg7
8.Qe3
  ±  (0.79)   Depth: 14   00:10:10  354639kN
1...Qxh4 2.Rc7 Re8 3.Bf2 Qf6 4.Bd4 Re1+ 5.Qxe1 Qxd4+ 6.Qf2 Qf6
  ±  (0.79)   Depth: 14   00:10:34  367731kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 04.12.2001)

Uri




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