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Subject: Re: programmer strength vs program strength?

Author: Roland Pfister

Date: 23:31:41 06/04/98

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On June 04, 1998 at 17:33:28, David Fotland wrote:

>On June 03, 1998 at 17:05:32, odell hall wrote:
>
>>I am curious do programmers know how to defeat there own programs. It
>>would seem reasonable since they would have specific knowledge about the
>>strengths and weakness of their own programs. For instance i would love
>>schroeder to tell me the best way to beat rebel. Or is this question
>>rediculous?? Can I please get some comments on this from various
>>programmers
>
>I can't beat my program, but I am quite weak as a chess player,
>about 1600 on FICS.  My program is about 1800.  A related question
>is: Is there a limit to how much better the program can be than
>the programmer (or chess advisor)?  I doubt I could write a competitive
>chess program since I wouldn't know what to put in the evaluation
>function.  And Deep Blue had a grandmaster advisor.

You need testers, that can tell you what went wrong, if you don't see
it yourself.

>  Is anyone's
>program more than 400 points stronger than the programmer (or advisor)?
>Perhaps once the program is strong enough that the programmer can't beat
>it, the programmer can't figure out how to improve it easily?
>

That is true if the programmer is the only person that plays against his
program. Try to find others to play it.

>David



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