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Subject: Re: Too difficult for programs?yace only material results

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 06:58:50 12/04/01

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On December 03, 2001 at 21:05:39, Andrew Smith wrote:

>[D]r1nq1r1k/p2b1pbp/1p4p1/2pNp3/RP1PP3/4BN1P/2P2PP1/2QR2K1 w KQkq - 0 1
>
>dxe5!! apparently gives white a huge adavantage in this position, followed by
>Bg5. The line looks to be very long. I played around the position with gambit
>tiger and forced the move and followed its analysis some ten moves deep, until
>it finally showed a positive score for white. According to this it would have
>taken more than twenty plies (!?) in the original position. Can any program find
>this move? Is it even possible?

Yace only material analysis after dxe5
Bxa4(pawn=0.8,knight=3.4,bishop=3.5,rook=5,queen=10.01)

The score at depth 13 is 2.60 against white
The score at depth 15 is 1.60 against white

I evaluate that depth 19 is going to be enough for it to see positive score for
white but I do not promise to continue to analyze to this depth.

New position
[D]r1nq1r1k/p4pbp/1p4p1/2pNP3/bP2P3/4BN1P/2P2PP1/2QR2K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

2.bxc5
  -+  (-3.50)   Depth: 1   00:00:09
2.bxc5 bxc5
  -+  (-3.50)   Depth: 2   00:00:09
2.bxc5 bxc5 3.Bxc5 Rg8
  -+  (-3.50)   Depth: 3   00:00:10
2.bxc5 bxc5 3.Bxc5 Rg8 4.Bd4
  -+  (-3.50)   Depth: 4   00:00:12
2.Bg5 Qxg5 3.Nxg5 Bxc2
  -+  (-3.49)   Depth: 4   00:00:14
2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Nc7 Qc6
  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 4   00:00:14
2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Nc7 Qc6 4.Nxa8
  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 5   00:00:16  9kN
2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Nc7 Qc6 4.Nxa8 Qxa8
  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 6   00:00:22  22kN
2.bxc5 bxc5 3.Bxc5 Qe8 4.Bxf8 Kg8
  -+  (-2.69)   Depth: 6   00:00:34  52kN
2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4
  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 6   00:00:35  59kN
2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Rd4 Qb5
  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 7   00:00:42  121kN
2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Rd4 Qb5 6.Rd3
  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 8   00:00:42  418kN
2.bxc5 Qe8 3.Nc7 Qc6 4.Nxa8 Qxa8 5.cxb6 axb6 6.e6 fxe6 7.Ng5
  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 9   00:00:44  1268kN
2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Bd4 Qb5 6.Nd2 f6 7.exf6
  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 10   00:00:48  3140kN
2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Bd4 Qb5 6.Nd2 f6 7.exf6 Bxf6
  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 11   00:00:55  8248kN
2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Bd4 Qb5 6.Nd2 f6 7.exf6 Bxf6 8.Bxf6+ Rxf6
  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 12   00:01:25  27091kN
2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Bd4 Qb5 6.Nd2 f6 7.exf6 Bxf6 8.Bxf6+ Rxf6
9.Qa1 Qc6
  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 13   00:02:53  80942kN
2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Bg5 Qe8 4.Bf6 Qc6 5.Bxg7+ Kxg7 6.Nd4 Qd7 7.Nf5+ gxf5 8.Nf6 Bc6
9.Nxd7 Bxd7
  -+  (-2.20)   Depth: 14   00:08:09  263330kN
2.bxc5 Qe8 3.Nc7 Qc6 4.Nxa8 Qxa8 5.cxb6 Nxb6 6.Re1 Bc6 7.Bc5 Rc8 8.Bxb6 axb6
9.Ng5
  -+  (-2.00)   Depth: 14   00:19:06  634895kN
2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Bf6 Qc6 4.e6 fxe6 5.Bxg7+ Kxg7 6.Qa1+ Kg8 7.Nf6+ Rxf6 8.Qxf6 Nd6
9.Ne5 Nf7 10.Nxc6 Bxc6
  -+  (-1.99)   Depth: 14   00:20:50  694408kN
2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Bf6 Qc6 4.e6 fxe6 5.Bxg7+ Kxg7 6.Qa1+ Kg8 7.Nf6+ Rxf6 8.Qxf6 Nd6
9.Ne5 Qc7 10.Qxe6+ Nf7 11.Rd7 Qxe5
  -+  (-1.90)   Depth: 14   00:21:37  721483kN
2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Bf6 Qc6 4.e6 Qxe6 5.Bxg7+ Kxg7 6.Qa1+ f6 7.Qxa4 Rb8 8.bxc5 bxc5
9.Nc7 Qb6 10.c4 Kg8 11.Rd7
  -+  (-1.60)   Depth: 15   00:28:39  968855kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 04.12.2001)


Uri



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