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Subject: Re: Too difficult for programs?yace only material results

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:37:46 12/04/01

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On December 04, 2001 at 09:58:50, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 03, 2001 at 21:05:39, Andrew Smith wrote:
>
>>[D]r1nq1r1k/p2b1pbp/1p4p1/2pNp3/RP1PP3/4BN1P/2P2PP1/2QR2K1 w KQkq - 0 1
>>
>>dxe5!! apparently gives white a huge adavantage in this position, followed by
>>Bg5. The line looks to be very long. I played around the position with gambit
>>tiger and forced the move and followed its analysis some ten moves deep, until
>>it finally showed a positive score for white. According to this it would have
>>taken more than twenty plies (!?) in the original position. Can any program find
>>this move? Is it even possible?
>
>Yace only material analysis after dxe5
>Bxa4(pawn=0.8,knight=3.4,bishop=3.5,rook=5,queen=10.01)
>
>The score at depth 13 is 2.60 against white
>The score at depth 15 is 1.60 against white
>
>I evaluate that depth 19 is going to be enough for it to see positive score for
>white but I do not promise to continue to analyze to this depth.
>
>New position
>[D]r1nq1r1k/p4pbp/1p4p1/2pNP3/bP2P3/4BN1P/2P2PP1/2QR2K1 w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:
>
>2.bxc5
>  -+  (-3.50)   Depth: 1   00:00:09
>2.bxc5 bxc5
>  -+  (-3.50)   Depth: 2   00:00:09
>2.bxc5 bxc5 3.Bxc5 Rg8
>  -+  (-3.50)   Depth: 3   00:00:10
>2.bxc5 bxc5 3.Bxc5 Rg8 4.Bd4
>  -+  (-3.50)   Depth: 4   00:00:12
>2.Bg5 Qxg5 3.Nxg5 Bxc2
>  -+  (-3.49)   Depth: 4   00:00:14
>2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Nc7 Qc6
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 4   00:00:14
>2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Nc7 Qc6 4.Nxa8
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 5   00:00:16  9kN
>2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Nc7 Qc6 4.Nxa8 Qxa8
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 6   00:00:22  22kN
>2.bxc5 bxc5 3.Bxc5 Qe8 4.Bxf8 Kg8
>  -+  (-2.69)   Depth: 6   00:00:34  52kN
>2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4
>  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 6   00:00:35  59kN
>2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Rd4 Qb5
>  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 7   00:00:42  121kN
>2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Rd4 Qb5 6.Rd3
>  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 8   00:00:42  418kN
>2.bxc5 Qe8 3.Nc7 Qc6 4.Nxa8 Qxa8 5.cxb6 axb6 6.e6 fxe6 7.Ng5
>  -+  (-2.70)   Depth: 9   00:00:44  1268kN
>2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Bd4 Qb5 6.Nd2 f6 7.exf6
>  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 10   00:00:48  3140kN
>2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Bd4 Qb5 6.Nd2 f6 7.exf6 Bxf6
>  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 11   00:00:55  8248kN
>2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Bd4 Qb5 6.Nd2 f6 7.exf6 Bxf6 8.Bxf6+ Rxf6
>  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 12   00:01:25  27091kN
>2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Nxb6 Qe8 4.Nxa4 Qxa4 5.Bd4 Qb5 6.Nd2 f6 7.exf6 Bxf6 8.Bxf6+ Rxf6
>9.Qa1 Qc6
>  -+  (-2.60)   Depth: 13   00:02:53  80942kN
>2.bxc5 Rb8 3.Bg5 Qe8 4.Bf6 Qc6 5.Bxg7+ Kxg7 6.Nd4 Qd7 7.Nf5+ gxf5 8.Nf6 Bc6
>9.Nxd7 Bxd7
>  -+  (-2.20)   Depth: 14   00:08:09  263330kN
>2.bxc5 Qe8 3.Nc7 Qc6 4.Nxa8 Qxa8 5.cxb6 Nxb6 6.Re1 Bc6 7.Bc5 Rc8 8.Bxb6 axb6
>9.Ng5
>  -+  (-2.00)   Depth: 14   00:19:06  634895kN
>2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Bf6 Qc6 4.e6 fxe6 5.Bxg7+ Kxg7 6.Qa1+ Kg8 7.Nf6+ Rxf6 8.Qxf6 Nd6
>9.Ne5 Nf7 10.Nxc6 Bxc6
>  -+  (-1.99)   Depth: 14   00:20:50  694408kN
>2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Bf6 Qc6 4.e6 fxe6 5.Bxg7+ Kxg7 6.Qa1+ Kg8 7.Nf6+ Rxf6 8.Qxf6 Nd6
>9.Ne5 Qc7 10.Qxe6+ Nf7 11.Rd7 Qxe5
>  -+  (-1.90)   Depth: 14   00:21:37  721483kN
>2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Bf6 Qc6 4.e6 Qxe6 5.Bxg7+ Kxg7 6.Qa1+ f6 7.Qxa4 Rb8 8.bxc5 bxc5
>9.Nc7 Qb6 10.c4 Kg8 11.Rd7
>  -+  (-1.60)   Depth: 15   00:28:39  968855kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-aviv 04.12.2001)
>
>
>Uri

Yace continues to get progress in score
Here is depth 16 results and suddenly it is only 1 pawn for black:

2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Bf6 Qc6 4.e6 Qxe6 5.Qa1 Bxf6 6.Nxf6 Bxc2 7.Ng5 Qc4 8.Nfxh7+ f6 9.Rd8
Kg8 10.Rxf8+ Kg7
  µ  (-1.20)   Depth: 16   00:48:11  1625444kN
2.Bg5 Qe8 3.Bf6 Qc6 4.e6 Qxe6 5.Qa1 Bxf6 6.Nxf6 Qc6 7.Nd7+ f6 8.Nxf8 Bxc2 9.Rd8
Kg7 10.bxc5 bxc5 11.e5
  µ  (-0.90)   Depth: 16   01:01:57  2089740kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 04.12.2001)

Uri



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