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Subject: Re: SSDF rating list

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 22:46:07 06/05/98

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>Posted by Jan Nyström on June 05, 1998 at 20:43:01:

>Hi !
>In the CCC Opinion Poll about the ssdf rating list, what was the
>result? was it 100 % against ssdf ? Some time when i read the e-mails in
>ccc, it looks like ewerybody are against fritz and ssdf.....
>but the only program i can read about in ccc is fritz...??

>Where are we now in the "ratinglist caos" ??? ask the people
>who start the "my program is the no 1 !! no my program is 14,65 points
>better.... no way my dosn't use the auto 232 this and that.....
>bla... bla... bla....." (MABY SOME OVER REACTION BUT....   :-)  )

>what do u Schröder, Lang, etc... think about the ssdf list ?

>i want to keep the list !!!!!!

Same here Jan.

Two weeks ago I sent the below email to the main programmers or people
in charge. Since Ossi Weiner in his wisdom decided to quote the whole
email to 50-60 people I can better make it public as well. It was an
unpleasant experience for me that I did not receive one single reply!
Bottom Line, better forget automatic testing. We are going back to the
stone age :(

I didn't manage, perhaps you the customer can convince them after all
I am just a competitor. It's my opinion, without AUTO232 no SSDF and
CCL anymore. The latter is 100% true for CCL as I will quit CCL for
sure as it makes no sense to me to test Rebel10,11,12... against old
and out-dated versions.

This doesn't mean *I* will remove auto232 from Rebel10. Rebel 10.0
will support auto232 as usual. I am not so afraid of all the book
preparations as it is happening already since day one of SSDF.

Here is the group-email...

- Ed Schroder -

------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:33:12 +0200 (CEST)
From: Ed Schroder
Subject: AUTO232 and SSDF
Cc: Marty Hirsch
    Stefan Meyer Kahlen
    RICHARD LANG
    Mark Uniacke
    Helmut Weigel
    Ossi Weiner
    Matth. Wuellenweber
    Eric Hallsworth
    Thoralf Karlsson
    Frederic Friedel

Dear colleagues,

For the next version of Rebel I will (still) release the program
including the possibility of auto232. I hope all of you will do
the same.

It's my opinion that removing auto232 from our programs will result
in a dying or uninteresting SSDF list. The same applies for my own
started CCL, I assume you heard of it.

It's also my opinion that WE need a list because our customers WANT
a list. If there is no list I fear the topic computer chess will
slowly die.

Bottom line, we have a common interest to keep computer chess alive
and healthy and compete with each other. Too many good things has
disappeared (or are disappearing), Aegon, Harvard Cup, will there
be a WCM this year? I doubt it. This tells people (our customers)
that computer chess is dying and they might lose interest with the
predictable result, lower sales.

So my proposal is let's have a gentleman agreement, we ALL release
our next version with auto232. The gentleman agreement is *ONLY*
valid if *ALL* have promised by responding on this email with YES,
see below.

If one (of the list below) doesn't want or does not reply I consider
my try as fruitless and there will be no gentleman agreement and
everybody simply does what he thinks is best.

But I do hope you all will see the importance of the subject as we
have a common interest here to cooperate. My vote is a clear YES.

Now I can understand the problem you might have with the Fritz5
testing on SSDF. Perhaps you have heard of my official and also
public complaints and even that I felt forced to withdrawn from
SSDF completely.

Also here I like to make a proposal, why don't you Thoralf promise
us (the programmers) for the future (a) not to accept auto players
that are not public and (b) not to accept special hardware demands
again? I am sure that it would help to convince us to say YES to
the gentleman agreement. In that case I would be happy to participate
on your list again.

Below you can sign and then return the email to me or in this group.

  I agree to the stipulations of this email,

  Thoralf Karlsson         ...
  Richard Lang             ...
  Stefan Meyer-Kahlen      ...
  Marty Hirsch             ...
  Frans Morsch             ...
  Mark Uniacke             ...
  Chrilly Donninger        ...
  Ed Schroder              YES

In order to keep this going I want to suggest a deadline of June 1,
1998. Before this date I would like you to react to make this
gentleman agreement valid.

Kind regards,

Ed Schroder

PS, excluded from the CC-list are Frans and Chrilly as they don't
want to receive group email. I trust that Fred and Ossi will make
sure they get the message. Also to Eric my request is to ensure
that Marc gets the message.



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