Author: Ed Schröder
Date: 22:46:07 06/05/98
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>Posted by Jan Nyström on June 05, 1998 at 20:43:01:
>Hi !
>In the CCC Opinion Poll about the ssdf rating list, what was the
>result? was it 100 % against ssdf ? Some time when i read the e-mails in
>ccc, it looks like ewerybody are against fritz and ssdf.....
>but the only program i can read about in ccc is fritz...??
>Where are we now in the "ratinglist caos" ??? ask the people
>who start the "my program is the no 1 !! no my program is 14,65 points
>better.... no way my dosn't use the auto 232 this and that.....
>bla... bla... bla....." (MABY SOME OVER REACTION BUT.... :-) )
>what do u Schröder, Lang, etc... think about the ssdf list ?
>i want to keep the list !!!!!!
Same here Jan.
Two weeks ago I sent the below email to the main programmers or people
in charge. Since Ossi Weiner in his wisdom decided to quote the whole
email to 50-60 people I can better make it public as well. It was an
unpleasant experience for me that I did not receive one single reply!
Bottom Line, better forget automatic testing. We are going back to the
stone age :(
I didn't manage, perhaps you the customer can convince them after all
I am just a competitor. It's my opinion, without AUTO232 no SSDF and
CCL anymore. The latter is 100% true for CCL as I will quit CCL for
sure as it makes no sense to me to test Rebel10,11,12... against old
and out-dated versions.
This doesn't mean *I* will remove auto232 from Rebel10. Rebel 10.0
will support auto232 as usual. I am not so afraid of all the book
preparations as it is happening already since day one of SSDF.
Here is the group-email...
- Ed Schroder -
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Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:33:12 +0200 (CEST)
From: Ed Schroder
Subject: AUTO232 and SSDF
Cc: Marty Hirsch
Stefan Meyer Kahlen
RICHARD LANG
Mark Uniacke
Helmut Weigel
Ossi Weiner
Matth. Wuellenweber
Eric Hallsworth
Thoralf Karlsson
Frederic Friedel
Dear colleagues,
For the next version of Rebel I will (still) release the program
including the possibility of auto232. I hope all of you will do
the same.
It's my opinion that removing auto232 from our programs will result
in a dying or uninteresting SSDF list. The same applies for my own
started CCL, I assume you heard of it.
It's also my opinion that WE need a list because our customers WANT
a list. If there is no list I fear the topic computer chess will
slowly die.
Bottom line, we have a common interest to keep computer chess alive
and healthy and compete with each other. Too many good things has
disappeared (or are disappearing), Aegon, Harvard Cup, will there
be a WCM this year? I doubt it. This tells people (our customers)
that computer chess is dying and they might lose interest with the
predictable result, lower sales.
So my proposal is let's have a gentleman agreement, we ALL release
our next version with auto232. The gentleman agreement is *ONLY*
valid if *ALL* have promised by responding on this email with YES,
see below.
If one (of the list below) doesn't want or does not reply I consider
my try as fruitless and there will be no gentleman agreement and
everybody simply does what he thinks is best.
But I do hope you all will see the importance of the subject as we
have a common interest here to cooperate. My vote is a clear YES.
Now I can understand the problem you might have with the Fritz5
testing on SSDF. Perhaps you have heard of my official and also
public complaints and even that I felt forced to withdrawn from
SSDF completely.
Also here I like to make a proposal, why don't you Thoralf promise
us (the programmers) for the future (a) not to accept auto players
that are not public and (b) not to accept special hardware demands
again? I am sure that it would help to convince us to say YES to
the gentleman agreement. In that case I would be happy to participate
on your list again.
Below you can sign and then return the email to me or in this group.
I agree to the stipulations of this email,
Thoralf Karlsson ...
Richard Lang ...
Stefan Meyer-Kahlen ...
Marty Hirsch ...
Frans Morsch ...
Mark Uniacke ...
Chrilly Donninger ...
Ed Schroder YES
In order to keep this going I want to suggest a deadline of June 1,
1998. Before this date I would like you to react to make this
gentleman agreement valid.
Kind regards,
Ed Schroder
PS, excluded from the CC-list are Frans and Chrilly as they don't
want to receive group email. I trust that Fred and Ossi will make
sure they get the message. Also to Eric my request is to ensure
that Marc gets the message.
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