Author: Komputer Korner
Date: 14:22:58 06/07/98
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On June 06, 1998 at 01:46:07, Ed Schröder wrote: >>Posted by Jan Nyström on June 05, 1998 at 20:43:01: > >>Hi ! >>In the CCC Opinion Poll about the ssdf rating list, what was the >>result? was it 100 % against ssdf ? Some time when i read the e-mails in >>ccc, it looks like ewerybody are against fritz and ssdf..... >>but the only program i can read about in ccc is fritz...?? > >>Where are we now in the "ratinglist caos" ??? ask the people >>who start the "my program is the no 1 !! no my program is 14,65 points >>better.... no way my dosn't use the auto 232 this and that..... >>bla... bla... bla....." (MABY SOME OVER REACTION BUT.... :-) ) > >>what do u Schröder, Lang, etc... think about the ssdf list ? > >>i want to keep the list !!!!!! > >Same here Jan. > >Two weeks ago I sent the below email to the main programmers or people >in charge. Since Ossi Weiner in his wisdom decided to quote the whole >email to 50-60 people I can better make it public as well. It was an >unpleasant experience for me that I did not receive one single reply! >Bottom Line, better forget automatic testing. We are going back to the >stone age :( > >I didn't manage, perhaps you the customer can convince them after all >I am just a competitor. It's my opinion, without AUTO232 no SSDF and >CCL anymore. The latter is 100% true for CCL as I will quit CCL for >sure as it makes no sense to me to test Rebel10,11,12... against old >and out-dated versions. > >This doesn't mean *I* will remove auto232 from Rebel10. Rebel 10.0 >will support auto232 as usual. I am not so afraid of all the book >preparations as it is happening already since day one of SSDF. > >Here is the group-email... > >- Ed Schroder - > >------------------------------------------------ >Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 16:33:12 +0200 (CEST) >From: Ed Schroder >Subject: AUTO232 and SSDF >Cc: Marty Hirsch > Stefan Meyer Kahlen > RICHARD LANG > Mark Uniacke > Helmut Weigel > Ossi Weiner > Matth. Wuellenweber > Eric Hallsworth > Thoralf Karlsson > Frederic Friedel > >Dear colleagues, > >For the next version of Rebel I will (still) release the program >including the possibility of auto232. I hope all of you will do >the same. > >It's my opinion that removing auto232 from our programs will result >in a dying or uninteresting SSDF list. The same applies for my own >started CCL, I assume you heard of it. > >It's also my opinion that WE need a list because our customers WANT >a list. If there is no list I fear the topic computer chess will >slowly die. > >Bottom line, we have a common interest to keep computer chess alive >and healthy and compete with each other. Too many good things has >disappeared (or are disappearing), Aegon, Harvard Cup, will there >be a WCM this year? I doubt it. This tells people (our customers) >that computer chess is dying and they might lose interest with the >predictable result, lower sales. > >So my proposal is let's have a gentleman agreement, we ALL release >our next version with auto232. The gentleman agreement is *ONLY* >valid if *ALL* have promised by responding on this email with YES, >see below. > >If one (of the list below) doesn't want or does not reply I consider >my try as fruitless and there will be no gentleman agreement and >everybody simply does what he thinks is best. > >But I do hope you all will see the importance of the subject as we >have a common interest here to cooperate. My vote is a clear YES. > >Now I can understand the problem you might have with the Fritz5 >testing on SSDF. Perhaps you have heard of my official and also >public complaints and even that I felt forced to withdrawn from >SSDF completely. > >Also here I like to make a proposal, why don't you Thoralf promise >us (the programmers) for the future (a) not to accept auto players >that are not public and (b) not to accept special hardware demands >again? I am sure that it would help to convince us to say YES to >the gentleman agreement. In that case I would be happy to participate >on your list again. > >Below you can sign and then return the email to me or in this group. > > I agree to the stipulations of this email, > > Thoralf Karlsson ... > Richard Lang ... > Stefan Meyer-Kahlen ... > Marty Hirsch ... > Frans Morsch ... > Mark Uniacke ... > Chrilly Donninger ... > Ed Schroder YES > >In order to keep this going I want to suggest a deadline of June 1, >1998. Before this date I would like you to react to make this >gentleman agreement valid. > >Kind regards, > >Ed Schroder > >PS, excluded from the CC-list are Frans and Chrilly as they don't >want to receive group email. I trust that Fred and Ossi will make >sure they get the message. Also to Eric my request is to ensure >that Marc gets the message. I would like to add that without automatic testing, the progress of computer chess slows. Testing a new idea will be horrendous once the old programs with autotest drivers become too old to test against. -- Komputer Korner
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