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Subject: Re: How many of you think that current chess Programs can beat Zhu Chen ?

Author: Mark Young

Date: 11:32:18 12/14/01

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On December 14, 2001 at 14:16:36, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On December 14, 2001 at 14:00:11, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On December 14, 2001 at 13:08:17, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>If you look a Zhu Chen FIDE rating of 2497 and her open style of play, some of
>>>you don't have any doubts in your mind that if a match of 5 games evedr take
>>>place, using the new FIDE Standard time control of 90 Min, the new Female FIDE
>>>Champion would NOT have a Chance against any of these three Programs Fritz 7
>>>Deep Junior 7 or Gambit Tiger on a single processor. I might be the only one who
>>>believe that Zhu Chen could still manage to beat the three best current
>>>programs.
>>
>>1. The strongest proven program against humans (IMO) is ChessTiger 14. I do not
>>think on a single CPU Fritz 7 would be much better then Tiger against humans.
>>
>>2. I don't think Zhu Chen would have much chance in winning over ChessTiger 14
>>in a 5 game match with the new Fide time control.
>>
>>2a. That is suggesting that the match conditions would be fair for the computer,
>>and a fast 1 CPU computer is used.
>>
>>It has been clear to me for some time that the current programs play at a very
>>high GM level. Meaning that they would rank in the top 100 of the best Chess
>>players in the world if they could be Fide Rated.
>
>With the conditions stated elsewhere, I think probably all of them would beat
>her.

The only program I feel that has a chance to lose is GambitTiger 2.0. This
program can play over the top sometimes and lose in the endgame against good
chess players. I know people like GambitTiger 2.0 style of play, but it does
come with some risk in a short 5 game match.


>
>1.  Her ELO is less than 2500.  Rebel (for instance) has shown some prowess in
>this area with similar matches, as has Junior and Tiger.
>2.  The time control is *definitely* in favor of the computer.  The higher the
>speed, the more the computer is favored.
>3.  An open style or a tactical style is the worst sort against a computer.
>Someone who is a slow, positional player and *especially* someone who uses long
>pawn chains and develops slowly will be a far greater challenge for a machine.
>
>On the other hand...
>A.  Give her the exact program to be used.
>B.  Give her an identical machine and the exact configuration to be used.
>C.  Increase the time control to 40/2.
>And then I am very sure she would win.
>
>So, the answer is (IMO) all of them would beat her and none of them would beat
>her.



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