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Subject: Re: 3 Tactical positions showing the superiority of CM 8000 over Fritz6

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 13:06:06 12/14/01

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On December 14, 2001 at 15:08:27, ALI MIRAFZALI wrote:

>It is Strange for me that the Fritz family has a reputation of being a
>tactical wizard while in fact my own research shows that the program
>is tactically inferior to many other programs .Here is 3 positions and
>a Comparison between Fritz6 and chessmaster 8000.The first position is from the
>game Beliavsky vs Smirin (1989)
>[D]4n1k1/1bp3b1/p1q4p/1p2n3/5N2/2P3N1/PP1r1PP1/1RQ1R1K1 b
>here Beliavsky played 28...Rxf2!! The game ended 29.Kxf2 Nd3+ 30.Nxd3 Qxg2+
>31.Ke3 Nd6 32.Rf1 Nc4+ 33.Kf4 Qd5 34.Kg4 Bc8+ 35.Kh4 Qd8+ 36.Kh5 Qe8+
>37.Kh4 Qe7+ 38.Kh5 Ne3 0-1
>The position was tested on a 500 Mhz Computer .CM8000 finds 28...Rxf2!! in
>53 seconds .While Fritz6 needs 1 Hour and 6 minutes to find 28...Rxf2!!

I am not surprised because chessmaster is known to be stronger than other
programs when mate attacks are involved.
I guess that Deep Fritz may be stronger when there is tactics that is about
winning a piece without mate threats.

Deep Fritz(800 Mhz 64 mbytes hash) need here 45 seconds

New position
4n1k1/1bp3b1/p1q4p/1p2n3/5N2/2P3N1/PP1r1PP1/1RQ1R1K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz:

1...Nc4 2.Nf5 Kh8 3.Nxg7
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 3/16   00:00:00  1kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7!
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 5/19   00:00:00  18kN
1...Rd7 2.Qe3 Nd6 3.Rbd1 Ndc4 4.Qe2 Rxd1
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  45kN
1...Rd7 2.Qe3 Nd6 3.Ngh5 Rf7 4.Nxg7 Rxf4
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 7/24   00:00:00  121kN
1...Rd7 2.Qe3 Kh7 3.Ngh5 Bh8 4.Qg3 Rd2 5.Kh2
  ³  (-0.53)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:00  344kN
1...Qd7!
  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 8/25   00:00:00  410kN
1...Qd7! 2.Ne4 Bxe4 3.Rxe4 Qd6 4.Qe1 c5 5.Re2 Rxe2 6.Qxe2
  ³  (-0.69)   Depth: 8/27   00:00:01  894kN
1...Qd7 2.Ne4 Bxe4 3.Rxe4 Qd6 4.Qe1 c5 5.Ne6 Rd5 6.Nxg7
  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 9/27   00:00:02  1472kN
1...Qd7 2.Ne4 Bxe4 3.Rxe4 Nc4 4.Qe1 Ned6 5.Re7 Qf5 6.Qe6+ Kh7 7.Qxf5+
  ³  (-0.66)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:04  2761kN
1...Rd7!
  ³  (-0.69)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:06  4213kN
1...Rd7! 2.Qe3 Nd6 3.Ngh5 Rf7 4.Rbd1 Nec4 5.Qe2 Ne4 6.Nxg7 Rxf4
  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:08  5065kN
1...Rd7 2.Qe3 Nd6 3.Ngh5 Rf7 4.Rbd1 Ndc4 5.Rd8+ Kh7 6.Qe2 Rf8 7.Rxf8
  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:13  8876kN
1...Rd7 2.Qe3 Nd6 3.Ngh5 Rf7 4.Qh3 Bc8 5.Qh4 Bf5 6.Rbc1
  µ  (-0.78)   Depth: 12/34   00:00:30  19762kN
1...Rxf2!
  µ  (-0.81)   Depth: 12/34   00:00:45  30049kN
1...Rxf2! 2.Kxf2 Nd3+ 3.Nxd3 Qxg2+ 4.Ke3 Nd6 5.Nb4 Qxg3+ 6.Kd2 Qf2+ 7.Kd3
  µ  (-0.88)   Depth: 12/34   00:00:47  32065kN
1...Rxf2 2.Kxf2 Nd3+ 3.Nxd3 Qxg2+ 4.Ke3 Nd6 5.Rf1 Qxg3+ 6.Ke2 Qg4+ 7.Ke1
  µ  (-1.03)   Depth: 13/36   00:01:10  48155kN
1...Rxf2 2.Kxf2 Nd3+ 3.Nxd3 Qxg2+ 4.Ke3 Nd6 5.Rf1 Qxg3+ 6.Ke2 Qg4+ 7.Ke1
  µ  (-1.09)   Depth: 14/41   00:02:34  107976kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 14.12.2001)



Deep Fritz has no problem here
>The second position is from the game Richter vs Abramavicius (1930)
>[D]2rqrnk1/pp3pb1/6p1/4pbP1/3pN2R/3B1N2/PPP2P2/2K2Q1R w
>Here Richter played 19.Rh8+!! and won.
>The position was tested on a 500 Mhz Computer .CM 8000 finds 19.Rh8+!!
>in 3minutes and 22 seconds.Fritz 6does not find the solution here even
>after 24 hours.

Deep Fritz does not find it in 15 minutes

New position
2rqrnk1/pp3pb1/6p1/4pbP1/3pN2R/3B1N2/PPP2P2/2K2Q1R w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz:

1.Nxd4--
  -+  (-1.81)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
1.Kb1 Ne6
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kb1 Ne6
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kb1 Ne6
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kb1 Ne6
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kb1 Ne6
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kb1 Ne6
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kb1 Ne6
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kb1 Ne6
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kb1 Ne6
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kb1 Ne6
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 4/14   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kb1 Ne6 2.Rh7 Nf4 3.Qd1
  ³  (-0.53)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00  8kN
1.Qe2!
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00  10kN
1.Qe2! Be6 2.Bb5 Nd7
  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 5/16   00:00:00  12kN
1.Qe2 Be6 2.Bb5 Re7 3.Nf6+ Bxf6 4.gxf6
  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:00  35kN
1.Qg2!
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:00  47kN
1.Qg2! Nd7 2.Nf6+ Nxf6
  ³  (-0.37)   Depth: 6/26   00:00:00  51kN
1.Qg2 Ne6 2.Nf6+ Bxf6 3.Bxf5 Bg7 4.Bxe6 Rxe6
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  110kN
1.Qg1!
  ³  (-0.37)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  154kN
1.Qg1! Ne6 2.Nf6+ Bxf6 3.Bxf5 Bg7
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  181kN
1.Qg1 Ne6 2.Nf6+ Bxf6 3.Bxf5 Bg7 4.Bxe6 Rxe6 5.Qg3
  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 8/28   00:00:00  286kN
1.Qg2!
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 8/28   00:00:00  333kN
1.Qg2 Ne6 2.Nf6+ Bxf6 3.Bxf5 Bxg5+ 4.Nxg5 Qxg5+ 5.Qxg5 Nxg5 6.Bxc8 Rxc8
  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 9/27   00:00:01  684kN
1.Qg2 Ne6 2.Nf6+ Bxf6 3.Bxf5 Bg7 4.Qh2 Kf8 5.Bxe6 Rxe6 6.Kb1
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 10/28   00:00:03  1805kN
1.Qg2 Ne6 2.Nf6+ Bxf6 3.Bxf5 Nxg5 4.Bxc8 Nxf3 5.Rg4 Nh4 6.Rgxh4 Bxh4
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:05  3162kN
1.Qg2 Ne6 2.Nf6+ Bxf6 3.Bxf5 Nxg5 4.Bxc8 Nxf3 5.Rg4 Nh4 6.Rgxh4 Bxh4
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 12/34   00:00:18  10909kN
1.Qg2 Ne6 2.Nf6+ Bxf6 3.Bxf5 Nxg5 4.Qh2 Kf8 5.Rh8+ Ke7 6.Rxe8+ Kxe8
  ³  (-0.31)   Depth: 13/35   00:00:51  32193kN
1.Kb1!
  ³  (-0.28)   Depth: 13/35   00:01:16  47757kN
1.Kb1! Ne6 2.Nf6+ Bxf6 3.Bxf5 Bg7 4.Qh3 Kf8 5.Rh8+ Ke7 6.Rxe8+
  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 13/35   00:01:51  68873kN
1.Kb1 Ne6 2.Nf6+ Bxf6 3.Bxf5 Bg7 4.Bxe6 Rxe6 5.Ne1 Rec6 6.Qh3 f5
  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 14/35   00:02:38  100243kN
1.Kb1 Ne6 2.Nf6+ Bxf6 3.Bxf5 Bg7 4.Qh3 Kf8 5.Rh8+ Ke7 6.Rxe8+ Qxe8
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 15/40   00:07:50  303824kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 14.12.2001)

>The third position is from the game Kaidonov vs Donaldson
>[D]rq3rk1/1b1n1ppp/ppn1p3/3pP3/5B2/2NBP2P/PP2QPP1/2RR2K1 w
>The position was tested on a 700 Mhz Computer.
>CM8000 finds 16.Nxd5!! in 2 hours and 21 minutes .While Fritz6 does not
>see it even after 24 hours.
>Please indicate the results of your program for these positions.

Deep Fritz cannot see it in 6 minutes

New position
rq3rk1/1b1n1ppp/ppn1p3/3pP3/5B2/2NBP2P/PP2QPP1/2RR2K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Fritz:

1.Nxd5--
  µ  (-0.72)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
1.Nxd5-- exd5
  µ  (-1.37)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
1.Qf3!
  µ  (-0.97)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
1.Qf3! Ndxe5
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
1.Qh5!
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 1/5   00:00:00
1.Qh5!
  ±  (0.75)   Depth: 1/7   00:00:00
1.Qh5 h6
  ±  (0.84)   Depth: 2/9   00:00:00
1.Qc2 h6 2.Bh7+ Kh8 3.e4 Kxh7
  ²  (0.50)   Depth: 4/18   00:00:00  3kN
1.Qc2 h6 2.Bh7+ Kh8 3.e4 Kxh7
  ²  (0.50)   Depth: 4/18   00:00:00  3kN
1.Qc2 h6 2.Bh7+ Kh8 3.e4 Kxh7
  ²  (0.50)   Depth: 4/18   00:00:00  3kN
1.Qc2 h6 2.Bh7+ Kh8 3.e4 Kxh7
  ²  (0.50)   Depth: 4/18   00:00:00  3kN
1.Qc2 h6 2.Bh7+ Kh8 3.e4 Kxh7
  ²  (0.50)   Depth: 4/18   00:00:00  3kN
1.Qc2 h6 2.Bh7+ Kh8 3.e4 d4
  ²  (0.47)   Depth: 5/18   00:00:00  10kN
1.Qc2--
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 6/18   00:00:00  39kN
1.Qc2--
  =  (0.16)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  40kN
1.Qh5!
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 6/19   00:00:00  41kN
1.Qh5! h6
  ²  (0.31)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00  56kN
1.Qh5 h6 2.e4 d4 3.Na4 Rd8 4.Rc4
  ²  (0.28)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  169kN
1.Qh5 g6 2.Qg5 Ndxe5 3.Qf6 Nd7 4.Qh4 e5
  ²  (0.38)   Depth: 8/23   00:00:00  414kN
1.Qh5 g6 2.Qg5 Ndxe5 3.Qf6 Nd7 4.Qh4 Nde5 5.Qf6 Nd7 6.Qh4 Nde5
  ²  (0.38)   Depth: 9/28   00:00:01  741kN
1.Qh5 g6 2.Qg5 Ndxe5 3.Qf6 Nd7 4.Qh4 Qd8 5.Bg5 f6
  ²  (0.31)   Depth: 10/26   00:00:02  1412kN
1.Qh5 g6 2.Qg5 Ndxe5 3.Qf6 Nd7 4.Qh4 Qd8 5.Bg5 f6 6.Bf4
  ²  (0.34)   Depth: 11/27   00:00:07  4588kN
1.Qh5 g6 2.Qh4 Ncxe5 3.Be2 Qd8 4.Qg3 Qf6 5.Bg5 Qg7 6.Rd4 Rfc8
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 12/32   00:00:17  10631kN
1.Qh5 g6 2.Qh4 Ncxe5 3.Be2 Qd8 4.Qg3 Qf6 5.Bg5 Qg7 6.Rd4
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 13/33   00:01:13  43429kN
1.Qh5 g6 2.Qh4 Ncxe5 3.Qg3 f6 4.e4 Nc5 5.exd5
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 14/35   00:05:33  211370kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 14.12.2001)


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