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Subject: Re: How many of you think that current chess Programs can beat Zhu Chen ?

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 14:19:44 12/14/01

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On December 14, 2001 at 16:48:33, Jorge Pichard wrote:

first of all the strongest top player is judith polgar and
not zu chen. Judith polgar is world top. Zu Chen may be happy
if she ever beats me in rapid (i'm 2312 FM but good in rapid,
have a national title there).

Secondly, i don't see how you can ever organize a match against
a chinese player. She's from China. Not from US, western europe.

Even organizing a match against an afghani is easier than against
a chinese who is playing for the chinese national team.

She's god in China. Everything gets dictated by the state.

If she asks someone to get her trainer and he refutes, then
his head gets cutoff by the chinese government. That's in case
he's lucky. Because the real punishment is getting forever rotten
away in a jail without sunlight for refusing trainership for the
glory of China. THIS IS NO JOKE. In china refusing trainership of someone
from the chinese team is considered high treachery against the chinese
people republic.

Further the irrelevant thing is next. Programs win from GM with XXX rating.
Then next thing is they win from someone with YYY rating but it's higher than
XXX so obviously a 2500 GM is not exactly interesting from PR viewpoint.

You can get 2700 GMs for $10000 too. In these times they'll be
all in the line to get $40000. they'll be prepared to even play
like 3 matches for that money i bet.

$300k is insane much for a 2500.

Only Kasparov and Kramnik are insane that they ask that much as they
ask.

There are some more plans wasting money. Try www.polgarchess.com
for something real pathetic. Who's going to pay for these plans?

No one.

Judith Polgar versus a strong chessprogram would be real nice to see.

I would love to play with diep a match. Diep knows at least about
good and bad bishop and all these world top win game after game against
programs when they want to because of these simple (and also
real complex at the same time) positional things,
where programs cannot play at, but where humans CAN play at.

On paper from that kramnik-fritz match the programmers get like
half a million dollar too, but i'm 100% convinced braingames puts it
all in their own pockets and perhaps get some more from chessbase.

>On December 14, 2001 at 15:27:10, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:

>>On December 14, 2001 at 13:08:17, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>what a stupid question to ask.
>
>I asked the rethorical question, because two days ago a friend of mine who works
>for AMD Marketing and promotion asked me "Do any of the current top programs
>have a chance against the top female Chess Player using a single processor?",
>and I immediately told him that NOT until another year or two, but I was
>thinking at that moment of Judy Polgar. I was about to approach him this
>Saturday again and propose to him that it would be a good Idea to wait for the
>New Female FIDE Chess Champion, but I thought that first I should ask for people
>opinion through this message board. He told me that his company can spend a
>small petty cash to advertise their XP Single Processor, But at this time no
>more than $300,000. I was thinking of proposing $200,000 if she wins
>$75,000 if whe draws and only $25,000 If she Lose. But to promise at least
>$75,000 for the programmer and operator of the candidate program.
>
>
>
>>>If you look a Zhu Chen FIDE rating of 2497 and her open style of play, some of
>>>you don't have any doubts in your mind that if a match of 5 games ever take
>>>place, using the new FIDE Standard time control of 90 Min, the new Female FIDE
>>>Champion would NOT have a Chance against any of these three Programs Fritz 7
>>>Deep Junior 7 or Gambit Tiger on a single processor. I might be the only one who
>>>believe that Zhu Chen could still manage to beat the three best current
>>>programs.



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