Author: Uri Blass
Date: 15:29:41 12/14/01
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On December 14, 2001 at 17:09:54, Thorsten Czub wrote: >Hi , the eleventh round has been finished. >Due to the fact that i can now play 2 games parallel (1st game on the 400 mhz >machines, and 2nd game on the 1200 mhz machines), the whole process fastens a >little. Of course we still have a few rounds until we reach round 15, the final >round. I began this tournament last year november. It now has taken over a year, >and it looks i will not be ready 2001. But we are coming closer to the final. It >is an ODYSSEY ! >you should better not forget this J) > >here the sensational results of round 11: > ><pre> > Tournament: Odyssee-Tournament > Results Mode Round No 11 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 1. SHREDDER5, (1) - (24) YACE BERLIN, ½:½ > 2. GANDALF432H, (11) - (2) GAMBIT-TIGER14.6, ½:½ > 3. REBEL-CENTURY4, (10) - (12) PHARAON 2.5, 1:0 > 4. NIMZO8, (20) - (5) SHREDDER4 CHESSBITS, 0:1 > 5. HIARCS7.01, (4) - (8) DEEP FRITZ, 1:0 > 6. JUNIOR7, (9) - (6) CHESSMASTER8000 1.0.4., 0:1 > 7. GENIUS6.5 CZUB-STYLE, (21) - (7) VIRTUAL-CHESS2, 0:1 > 8. PATZER311B, (17) - (14) CHESS SYSTEM TAL2.03, ½:½ > 9. ZARKOV4.5T, (13) - (19) CRAFTY 18.12, 0:1 >10. WCHESS2000, (15) - (3) REBEL-TIGER14.6, 0:1 >11. LITTLE-GOLIATH2000V3, (16) - (18) COMET B36, 1:0 >12. MCHESS8, (23) - (22) SOCRATES X, 0:1 >13. GROMIT 3.8.1, (26) - (25) EUGEN7.92, 1:0 ></pre> > >Yace was able to make a draw against shredder !! >Isn't this unbelievable ??! Bravo !! >Also Gambit-Tiger made a draw versus Gandalf. Wow. Rebel killed Pharaon. >Hiarcs was able to kill Deep Fritz. And Chessmaster won against Junior7. >Crafty was not impressed by any new paradigm stuff. Also sensational: Socrates >killed Mchess ! it seems we know now against which program the programmers of >socrates always trained against :-)) >ChessSystemTal2.03 for the first time played with a new styling. The >czub2001.sty. >It knocks off nullmove-search and this seems to help much. On the fast machines >we have today, nullmove is not important for a knowledge based program. > >this gives the following standing after 11 rounds: > ><pre> > Tournament: Odyssee-Tournament >Place Name Sco MBch Buch Ws >------------------------------------------------------------- > 1 SHREDDER5, (1) 9.0 54 65 7 > 2 GAMBIT-TIGER14.6, (2) 8.0 51½ 65 6 > 3 REBEL-CENTURY4, (10) 7.5 55 68½ 6 > 4-5 YACE BERLIN, (24) 6.5 51½ 63½ 4 > GANDALF432H, (11) 6.5 47 57½ 5 > 6-12 NIMZO8, (20) 6.0 56½ 70 5 > PHARAON 2.5, (12) 6.0 54 64½ 4 > CHESSMASTER8000 1.0.4., (6) 6.0 52½ 63 5 > CRAFTY 18.12, (19) 6.0 50½ 60½ 5 > SHREDDER4 CHESSBITS, (5) 6.0 48½ 58 3 > HIARCS7.01, (4) 6.0 45½ 53 4 > VIRTUAL-CHESS2, (7) 6.0 42 49½ 5 >13-18 JUNIOR7, (9) 5.5 56½ 68 3 > DEEP FRITZ, (8) 5.5 56 69½ 3 > PATZER311B, (17) 5.5 56 67½ 3 > GROMIT 3.8.1, (26) 5.5 48½ 58 3 > CHESS SYSTEM TAL2.03, (14) 5.5 46½ 58½ 2 > REBEL-TIGER14.6, (3) 5.5 46 53½ 3 >19-20 GENIUS6.5 CZUB-STYLE, (21) 5.0 46½ 56 3 > LITTLE-GOLIATH2000V3, (16) 5.0 44½ 52½ 3 >21-23 MCHESS8, (23) 4.5 54½ 65 3 > ZARKOV4.5T, (13) 4.5 52 61 3 > WCHESS2000, (15) 4.5 50 59½ 2 > 24 COMET B36, (18) 3.0 47½ 58 2 > 25 SOCRATES X, (22) 2.5 45 53 2 > 26 EUGEN7.92, (25) 1.5 46½ 55 0 ></pre> > >the games can be seen as pgn’s beneath this article. > >i spoke to stefan meyer kahlen, he said he is still very surprised shredder is >leading. >ok. in the next rounds i think we will see a couple of new programs appear. this >makes it even more interesting. how much will the new shredder be stronger ? how >much is century4 stronger ? how much fritz7 ? > >The first upgrade we have is Deep Fritz will be upgraded into Fritz7 in round >12. > >About and with this program i had my first nightmare shock. >but more later. > >I think other programs will follow soon. > >Here the pairings for round 12: > ><pre> > Tournament: Odyssee-Tournament > Results Mode Round No 12 >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 1. GANDALF432H, (11) - (1) SHREDDER5, > 2. GAMBIT-TIGER14.6, (2) - (24) YACE BERLIN, > 3. HIARCS7.01, (4) - (10) REBEL-CENTURY4, > 4. PHARAON 2.5, (12) - (5) SHREDDER4 CHESSBITS, > 5. CHESSMASTER8000 1.0.4., (6) - (7) VIRTUAL-CHESS2, > 6. CRAFTY 18.12, (19) - (9) JUNIOR7, > 7. NIMZO8, (20) - (17) PATZER311B, > 8. REBEL-TIGER14.6, (3) - (14) CHESS SYSTEM TAL2.03, > 9. FRITZ7, (8) - (26) GROMIT 3.8.1, >10. GENIUS6.5 CZUB-STYLE, (21) - (16) LITTLE-GOLIATH2000V3, >11. COMET B36, (18) - (13) ZARKOV4.5T, >12. SOCRATES X, (22) - (15) WCHESS2000, >13. EUGEN7.92, (25) - (23) MCHESS8, ></pre> > > > > >gandalf fought against shredder... and --- made a draw !! >gambit-tiger against yace .... made a draw !! wow ! >rebel-tiger versus chess system tal... made a draw !! > > > >the deep fritz --> fritz7 upgrade-shock: > >After installing fritz7 on my machines, i played the game against gromit for >round 12. > >You can maybe understand how i felt when i saw THIS ugly and strange game of >fritz7, like fritz7 playing (with 2 joints) under drugs: > >[Event "Odyssey2001-Tournament"] >[Site "k6-400, 40/120"] >[Date "2001.12.14"] >[Round "12"] >[White "Fritz7"] >[Black "Gromit 3.8.1"] >[Result "0-1"] >[ECO "A28"] >[PlyCount "56"] >[EventDate "2001.12.14"] > >1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e5 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. e3 Be7 5. a3 O-O 6. b4 d6 7. Qc2 Re8 8. Bb2 >Bf8 9. d3 g6 10. Be2 Bg7 11. O-O Ng4 12. Nd5 Bf5 13. Nd2 Ne7 14. h3 Nh6 15. Nc3 >Qd7 16. g4 Be6 17. g5 Nhf5 18. Nde4 Nh4 19. Nf6+ Bxf6 20. gxf6 Bxh3 21. fxe7 >Bg2 22. f3 Qh3 23. Rfc1 Rxe7 24. Nd5 Re6 25. Kf2 c6 26. Nc7 Rf6 27. Ke1 Rc8 28. >Kd2 Nxf3+ 0-1 > >I stopped the game here. I was completely shocked. >why is fritz allowing black to completely invade whites king position (move >22.Qh3) . After 23...Rxe7 fritz7 is reduced to death. >How can fritz7 evaluate the position after 23...Rxe7 with (when you know my >critics over the years you will laugh about this running gag) 0.04 in favour of >white, playing Nd5 after 6'36" computation? > is it mad ?? >in the same position gromit says +0.74 for black, even deep fritz says +0.69 for >black after a few minutes on the same machine. >Programs with more knowledge, e.g. Chess System Tal 2.03 would evaluate the >black moves with big advantage: >18...Nh4 with +2.19, 20...Bxh3 with +2.87, 22...Qh3 with +2.80, and would have >better played 23...f5 with +5.54 instead of Rxe7 from gromit. +5.54? tal seems to be crazy. I do not undertand a reason that it is better than 23...Rxe7. The opposite Rxe7 that brings the rook into the attack seems to me a better move. Here is yace's evaluation after 23...f5(p800 64 mbytes) It can see only a small advantage for black and it searched for 45 minutes Fritz7 - Gromit 3.8.1 [D]r3r1k1/ppp1P2p/3p2p1/4pp2/1PP4n/P1NPPP1q/1BQ1B1b1/R1R3K1 w - f6 0 1 Analysis by Yace 0.99.56: 24.Kf2 Bxf3 ± (0.78) Depth: 1 00:00:00 24.Nb5 Rxe7 ± (1.24) Depth: 1 00:00:00 24.Nd5 Nxf3+ 25.Bxf3 Bxf3 26.Nxc7 ± (1.26) Depth: 1 00:00:00 24.Nd5 Nxf3+ 25.Bxf3 Bxf3 26.Nxc7 ± (1.26) Depth: 2 00:00:00 24.Nd5 Nxf3+ 25.Bxf3 Bxf3 26.Nxc7 ± (1.26) Depth: 3 00:00:00 24.Nd5 Nxf3+ 25.Bxf3 Bxf3 26.Nf6+ Kg7 27.Nxe8+ Kg8 +- (1.66) Depth: 4 00:00:00 24.Nd5 Nxf3+ 25.Bxf3 Bxf3 26.Nf6+ Kf7 27.Nxe8 +- (1.77) Depth: 4 00:00:00 24.Nd5 Qg3 25.Rf1 Bxf1+ 26.Kh1 ± (1.37) Depth: 5 00:00:00 17kN 24.Nd5 Qg3 25.Rf1 Nxf3+ 26.Rxf3 Bxf3+ 27.Kf1 ² (0.37) Depth: 5 00:00:00 17kN 24.Nd5 Qg3 25.Bxe5 dxe5 26.Nf6+ Kg7 27.Nxe8+ Rxe8 = (0.11) Depth: 5 00:00:00 17kN 24.Kf2 Bxf3 25.Nb5 Qh2+ 26.Ke1 Qxe2+ 27.Qxe2 Ng2+ = (0.12) Depth: 5 00:00:00 17kN 24.Kf2 Bxf3 25.Bf1 Qg4 26.Ke1 ² (0.60) Depth: 5 00:00:00 17kN 24.Kf2 Bxf3 25.c5 Rxe7 26.cxd6 Rd7 27.Ke1 Rxd6 ² (0.61) Depth: 6 00:00:00 147kN 24.Kf2 Bxf3 25.Bf1 Qh2+ 26.Ke1 Qg3+ 27.Qf2 Qxf2+ 28.Kxf2 Rxe7 ² (0.58) Depth: 7 00:00:01 307kN 24.Kf2 Bxf3 25.Bf1 Qh2+ 26.Ke1 Qg3+ 27.Qf2 Qxf2+ 28.Kxf2 Rxe7 29.Ke1 f4 ² (0.45) Depth: 8 00:00:05 1718kN 24.Kf2 f4 25.Ne4 Nf5 26.Ke1 Qh4+ 27.Kd2 fxe3+ 28.Kc3 Nd4 29.Qd1 Qxe7 = (0.24) Depth: 9 00:00:17 5625kN 24.Kf2 f4 25.Ne4 Nf5 26.exf4 Qh4+ 27.Kg1 Qh1+ 28.Kf2 Qh4+ 29.Kg1 Qh1+ 30.Kf2 Qh4+ = (0.00) Depth: 10 00:00:43 14759kN 24.Kf2 f4 25.Ne4 Nf5 26.exf4 Qh4+ 27.Kg1 Qh1+ 28.Kf2 Qh4+ = (0.00) Depth: 11 00:04:08 85555kN 24.Kf2 Bxf3 25.b5 f4 26.exf4 Nf5 27.Ke1 Nd4 28.Qb1 Qg3+ 29.Kd1 exf4 30.Kd2 = (-0.18) Depth: 12 00:19:10 339931kN (Blass, Tel-aviv 15.12.2001)
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