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Subject: Re: Tactical speed and test suites

Author: blass uri

Date: 20:09:16 06/08/98

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On June 08, 1998 at 16:43:07, Thorsten Czub wrote:

>On June 08, 1998 at 05:18:16, Jouni Uski wrote:
>
>>If we compare programs A and B in tactical test suite (WAC) and A solves
>>293 positions with average solution time 5 sec, but B solves 298 with
>>average speed 60 sec - so which one is better tactically? I think
>>it's quite a problem to define.
>
>From my experiences in over 10 years, with DOING test-suites of all
>kind, and chess games of all levels, I can say the above is nonsense.
>
>I don't know how you define tactics. But obviously you misunderstand
>that
>finding key moves in an unbalanced position (like solving
>cross-words-puzzles)and handling tactics in a chess-game (from a
>balanced position INTO a non-balanced position) is NOT the same.
>
>I know many programs who are brilliant in test-suites, and much weaker
>in tactics in games.
>
>Finder-programs (as I define it, e.g. Fritz5/The King) FIND tactical key
>moves very early

sometimes it is not truth(at least for fritz5)
for example Fritz5 need a long time to find the move ka8 in a test
position
Jouni Uski posted(Interesting test suite from 1992)
Junior4.6 is more than 30 times faster (fritz5 needed more than
29(almost 30)
minutes and Junior4.6 something between 50 to 55 seconds
on my pentium200MMx).


1K6/1P6/1kP5/3P4/4P3/5P2/1p4P1/6b1 white to move

Uri




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