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Subject: Re: Moronic program wins against CM8000!

Author: John Merlino

Date: 11:53:38 12/17/01

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On December 17, 2001 at 07:47:05, David Rasmussen wrote:

>Chezzz 1.0 alpha, which is a complete rewrite of Chezzz, just beat CM8000 on
>appx. equal hardware on ICC! I know nothing can be proved of this (in fact, I
>_know_ that CM8000 is a billion times stronger than Chezzz), but it was still
>hilarious to see, because this version of Chezzz is not at all finished. It
>knows _nothing_ about king safety! And the rest of the evaluation is a joke too.
>And the branching factor is still high, and... When CM8000 matched me, I wrote
>the operator (if any), "Pick on someone your own size..." :)
>
>Here's the game:
>
>[Event "ICS Rated standard match"]
>[Site "chessclub.com"]
>[Date "2001.12.17"]
>[Round "-"]
>[White "Chezzz"]
>[Black "Chess8000"]
>[Result "*"]
>[WhiteElo "2248"]
>[BlackElo "2135"]
>[TimeControl "900+5"]
>
>1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. c4 Nf6 4. e3 d5 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6. a3 Bd6 7. Qc2 O-O 8.
>Nf3 Qe7 9. Nc3 Nxc3 10. Qxc3 Bg4 11. Be2 Qe6 12. Bc4 Qg6 13. Bd5 Be6 14.
>Bxc6 bxc6 15. O-O Bd5 16. Kh1 Rab8 17. b4 a5 18. bxa5 Rb3 19. Qc1 Qh5 20.
>Ng1 Rfb8 21. Bc3 Qg6 22. f3 c5 23. Qe1 Bc4 24. Ne2 c6 25. Rg1 R3b7 26. e4
>Qe6 27. Ng3 Ba6 28. Nf5 Bf8 29. Qe3 f6 30. Rgc1 Qb3 31. f4 exf4 32. Qxf4
>Bd3 33. Qf3 Rd7 34. Qg4 Kh8 35. Nxg7 Rxg7 36. Bxf6 Qb5 37. a6 Qxa6 38. e5
>c4 39. e6 Qa7 40. a4 Kg8 41. Bxg7 Bxg7 42. Ra2 Re8 43. a5 Rf8 44. Qg3 Rf6
>45. Re1 Rf8 46. a6 Re8 47. Qf3 Rf8 48. Qg3 Re8 49. e7 Kf7 50. Qf3+ Kg8 51.
>Qe3 Qxe3 52. Rxe3 Bf6 53. a7 Ra8 54. e8=Q+ Rxe8 55. Rxe8+
>*
>
>At this point, CM8000 resigned. The resignation isn't in the pgn because I
>didn't save it as it was played. I had to do "examine Chezzz 31" and then
>proceed to the end of the game, and save. I don't know why the resignation and
>the result isn't set properly in this case.
>
>/David

I have looked at this game and a few items are rather odd.

Firstly, Chezzz played a great game, no doubt about that, especially if it is as
weak as you claim. ;-)

However, I believe that this game was actually human-operated, which Chessmaster
only making MOST of the moves, rather than TheKing.exe running under Winboard.
Here are my findings:

-- The first eleven moves are straight out of CM8000's book, which would be
impossible if TheKing were "in charge", because there is no way for TheKing to
access the CM8000 opening book under Winboard.

-- I don't think any of the questionable moves in the game were due to mouse
slips, since the suggested move by CM8000 is usually unrelated to the move
played.

-- There are several moves which I cannot get TheKing to reproduce at all, and
most of them are near the end of the game.

Specifically, 11...Qe6, 24...c6, 45...Rf8, 46...Re8??, 51...Qxe3, 52...Bf6?? and
53...Ra8 (although the game was certainly lost by that point, so I suspect the
operator just lost patience).

Here's CM8000's output:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-0.35	1945		11...Qf6 12.O-O Rfe8 13.Qc2
0:00	1/3	-0.36	3440		11...Rfd8 12.O-O Bc5 13.Rfc1
0:00	1/3	-0.39	3951		11...Rad8 12.O-O Bc5 13.Rfc1
0:00	1/4	-0.53	5999		11...Rad8 12.O-O Rfe8 13.d4 exd4
					14.Nxd4 Bxe2 15.Nxe2
0:00	2/5	-0.27	16745		11...Rad8 12.O-O Rfe8 13.Rfc1 Qf6
					14.Qc2
0:00	2/6	-0.30	36492		11...Rad8 12.O-O Rfe8 13.Rfc1 Qe6
					14.e4 Qg6
0:04	3/7	-0.14	206145		11...Rad8 12.O-O Rfe8 13.Rfc1 Qe6
					14.h3 Bf5 15.d3
0:05	3/7	-0.20	300187		11...Rfe8 12.O-O Qf6 13.Qc2 Qf5
					14.d3 Rad8 15.Rfc1
0:14	3/8	-0.31	754101		11...Rfe8 12.O-O Qe6 13.Ng5 Qf5
					14.f3 Qxg5 15.fxg4 e4
0:35	4/9	-0.17	1985217		11...Rfe8 12.O-O Qf6 13.Qc2 Rad8
					14.Rfc1 Bf5 15.d3 Qg6 16.Nh4

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-1.00	2399		24...Qg4 25.h3 Qf5
0:00	1/3	-1.28	2360		24...c6 25.a4 Re8 26.e4
0:00	1/3	-1.35	2723		24...Re8 25.a4 e4 26.fxe4 Qxe4
0:00	1/4	-1.35	5313		24...Re8 25.a4 e4 26.fxe4 Qxe4
0:00	1/4	-1.36	8555		24...Bd3 25.a4 e4 26.Qd1 Qh5
0:00	2/5	-1.22	17224		24...Bd3 25.a4 Rb1 26.Rxb1 Rxb1
0:01	2/6	-1.19	51118		24...Bd3 25.e4 c6 26.a4 R3b7 27.Qf2
					Qe6
0:01	2/6	-1.22	72514		24...Re8 25.a4 c6 26.e4 f5 27.f4
0:04	3/7	-1.02	240503		24...Re8 25.a4 Bd3 26.Qf2 c4 27.Nc1
					Bxf1 28.Nxb3 Bxg2+ 29.Qxg2 Qxg2+
					30.Kxg2 cxb3
0:05	3/7	-1.05	292587		24...Bd3 25.e4 c6 26.Qf2 Qe6 27.Nc1
					Bxf1 28.Nxb3 Bxg2+ 29.Qxg2 Rxb3
0:12	3/8	-0.92	722969		24...Bd3 25.Rg1 Rb1 26.Nc1 Ba6
					27.Rxb1 Rxb1 28.e4
0:16	3/8	-0.98	931674		24...Re8 25.e4 c6 26.Qf2 Qe6 27.Rab1
					Bd3 28.Rxb3 Qxb3
0:22	3/8	-1.05	1249195		24...c6 25.e4 Bd3 26.Qf2 Qe6 27.Nc1
					Bxf1 28.Nxb3 Bxg2+ 29.Qxg2 Rxb3
0:28	3/8	-1.10	1544624		24...Qc2 25.Rc1 Qd3 26.Rf2 Rxa3
					27.e4 Be6 28.Ng3 Ra2
0:37	4/9	-1.06	2088554		24...Qc2 25.Rc1 Qd3 26.Ng3 Qg6
					27.Rg1 Bd3 28.e4 Rxa3 29.Qe3
1:25	4/10	-1.06	5094403		24...Qc2 25.Rc1 Qd3 26.Ng3 Qg6
					27.Rg1 Bd3 28.e4 Rxa3 29.Qe3
4:15	5/11	-0.90	16577033	24...Qc2 25.Rc1 Qd3 26.Ng3 Qd5
					27.Rg1 Rxa3 28.e4 Qe6 29.Rb1 Rbb3
					30.Rxb3 Rxb3

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-0.19	1743		45...h5 46.Qh3 Qf2 47.a6
0:00	1/3	-0.03	2556		45...Rf5 46.Qd6 Qf2 47.Qd8+ Rf8
0:00	1/3	0.26	1429		45...Rf8 46.a6 Rf2 47.e7
0:00	1/4	0.24	7098		45...Rf8 46.a6 h6 47.Qd6
0:00	1/4	0.00	14196		45...Be4 46.Qg4 Bd3 47.Qg3
0:00	2/5	0.09	33746		45...Be4 46.Rb2 Rf8 47.Qg5 h6
0:01	2/6	0.33	103126		45...Be4 46.Rb2 Rf8 47.a6 Bg6 48.Rb7
					Qxa6
0:05	3/7	0.51	397952		45...Be4 46.a6 c5 47.Rb2 Rf8 48.Kg1
					Qa8 49.Ra2
0:17	3/8	0.51	1241364		45...Be4 46.a6 c5 47.Qg4 Bd3 48.Qh4
					h6 49.Qg3 Rf8
0:43	4/9	0.57	3195923		45...Be4 46.a6 c5 47.Qg4 Bd5 48.h3
					Qe7 49.a7 Rf8 50.Qh5 Qb7
3:00	5/10	0.66	13254678	45...Be4 46.a6 c5 47.Qg4 Bd5 48.h3
					Qe7 49.a7 Rf8 50.Qg3 Rd8 51.Qf2

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/4	0.00	14196		46...Be4 47.Qg4 Bd3 48.Qg3
0:00	1/3	0.33	2595		46...h6 47.Qd6 Qf2
0:00	1/4	0.40	10385		46...h6 47.Ra5 Be4 48.Qe3 Qxe3
					49.dxe3
0:00	1/4	0.35	16052		46...Kh8 47.Qg5 h6 48.Qe3 c5
0:00	2/5	0.54	36041		46...Kh8 47.Qe3 Qxe3 48.dxe3 c3
					49.a7
0:00	2/5	0.44	42871		46...h6 47.Ra5 Be4 48.Raa1 Bd3
					49.e7
0:02	2/6	1.20	160820		46...h6 47.Rb2 Qe7 48.Rb7 Qf6 49.Qf3

0:02	2/6	0.81	180681		46...Kh8 47.Qe3 Qxe3 48.dxe3 Ra8
					49.a7 c3
0:03	2/6	0.75	219772		46...Bg6 47.Qh4 Bd4 48.e7 Re8 49.Qf4
					Rb8
0:07	3/7	0.75	460338		46...Bg6 47.Qh4 Bd4 48.e7 Re8 49.Ra4
					Bd3 50.Qg3+ Kh8
0:17	3/8	0.77	1173761		46...Bg6 47.Qh4 Bd4 48.e7 Re8 49.Ra4
					Bd3 50.Qf4 h6 51.Qg4+ Kh7
0:51	4/9	0.77	3609849		46...Bg6 47.Qh4 Kh8 48.e7 Re8 49.Ra4
					Bd3 50.Re3 Bc3 51.Qf4

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/4	0.00	14196		46...Be4 47.Qg4 Bd3 48.Qg3
0:00	1/3	0.33	2595		46...h6 47.Qd6 Qf2
0:00	1/4	0.40	10385		46...h6 47.Ra5 Be4 48.Qe3 Qxe3
					49.dxe3
0:00	1/4	0.35	16052		46...Kh8 47.Qg5 h6 48.Qe3 c5
0:00	2/5	0.54	36041		46...Kh8 47.Qe3 Qxe3 48.dxe3 c3
					49.a7
0:00	2/5	0.44	42871		46...h6 47.Ra5 Be4 48.Raa1 Bd3
					49.e7
0:02	2/6	1.20	160820		46...h6 47.Rb2 Qe7 48.Rb7 Qf6 49.Qf3

0:02	2/6	0.81	180681		46...Kh8 47.Qe3 Qxe3 48.dxe3 Ra8
					49.a7 c3
0:03	2/6	0.75	219772		46...Bg6 47.Qh4 Bd4 48.e7 Re8 49.Qf4
					Rb8
0:07	3/7	0.75	460338		46...Bg6 47.Qh4 Bd4 48.e7 Re8 49.Ra4
					Bd3 50.Qg3+ Kh8
0:17	3/8	0.77	1173761		46...Bg6 47.Qh4 Bd4 48.e7 Re8 49.Ra4
					Bd3 50.Qf4 h6 51.Qg4+ Kh7
0:51	4/9	0.77	3609849		46...Bg6 47.Qh4 Kh8 48.e7 Re8 49.Ra4
					Bd3 50.Re3 Bc3 51.Qf4
3:48	5/10	0.99	16175266	46...Bg6 47.h3 c5 48.Ra4 Bf6 49.Qg4
					Rd8 50.Qxc4 Bd3 51.Qg4+ Bg7 52.e7

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	0.88	2505		51...Bd4 52.Qe6+ Kg7 53.Qg4+ Bg6
					54.Qf4
0:00	1/4	0.93	6735		51...Bd4 52.Qe6+ Kg7 53.Ra3 h6
					54.Qd6
0:00	2/5	0.89	19075		51...Bd4 52.Qe6+ Kg7 53.Ra3 Qc5
					54.Qg4+ Bg6 55.Rg3
0:00	2/6	1.11	47586		51...Bd4 52.Qe6+ Kg7 53.Qxc6 Rxe7
					54.Rxe7+ Qxe7 55.Qb7 Kf6 56.Qxe7+
					Kxe7 57.a7
0:02	3/7	1.33	143612		51...Bd4 52.Qe6+ Kg7 53.Qxc6 Rxe7
					54.Rxe7+ Qxe7 55.Qb7 Qxb7 56.axb7
					Be5 57.Rb2 Bb8
0:06	3/8	1.51	431756		51...Bd4 52.Qe6+ Kg7 53.Qxc6 Kf7
					54.Qb7 h6 55.Qd5+ Kg7 56.Qd6
0:22	4/9	1.65	1662106		51...Bd4 52.Qe6+ Kg7 53.Qxc6 Kf7
					54.Qd5+ Kg7 55.Qd8 Bg6 56.Re6 Bf6
1:15	5/10	1.44	5826437		51...Bd4 52.Qe6+ Kg7 53.Qxc6 Kf7
					54.Qd5+ Kg7 55.Qg5+ Bg6 56.Qf4
					Kg8 57.Qd6 Bd3

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	4.49	1700		52...Bd4 53.a7 Bxe3 54.a8=Q
0:00	1/3	2.23	2791		52...Bb1 53.Ra4 Bd4 54.Rg3+ Bg7
0:00	1/4	2.77	5050		52...Bb1 53.Ra4 c3 54.dxc3 Kf7
0:00	1/4	2.65	6894		52...Bg6 53.a7 Ra8 54.Ra4 Bd4 55.e8=Q+
					Bxe8 56.Rxe8+ Rxe8 57.a8=Q Rxa8
					58.Rxa8+ Kf7
0:00	2/5	2.76	12585		52...Bg6 53.a7 Ra8 54.e8=Q+ Bxe8
					55.Rxe8+ Rxe8 56.a8=Q Rxa8 57.Rxa8+
					Kf7 58.Ra7+ Kg6
0:00	2/6	2.80	35042		52...Bg6 53.a7 Ra8 54.e8=Q+ Bxe8
					55.Rxe8+ Rxe8 56.a8=Q Rxa8 57.Rxa8+
					Kf7 58.Ra7+ Kg6 59.Kg1
0:01	3/7	3.19	83545		52...Bg6 53.a7 Ra8 54.e8=Q+ Bxe8
					55.Rxe8+ Rxe8 56.a8=Q Rf8 57.Qxf8+
					Kxf8 58.Rc2 c3 59.dxc3
0:01	3/7	2.98	128239		52...Bb1 53.Ra4 c3 54.dxc3 Bc2
					55.Ra3 Kf7 56.a7
0:03	4/8	3.08	298158		52...Bb1 53.Ra4 Bc2 54.Rxc4 Bh6
					55.Re6 Bg6 56.a7 Bxd2 57.Rcxc6
0:10	5/9	3.54	895786		52...Bb1 53.Ra5 Bg6 54.a7 Ra8 55.e8=Q+
					Bxe8 56.Rxe8+ Rxe8 57.a8=Q Rxa8
					58.Rxa8+ Kf7 59.Ra7+ Kg6 60.Rc7
					Bf6 61.Rxc6
0:39	6/10	3.56	3245526		52...Bb1 53.Ra4 c3 54.Rxc3 Bxc3
					55.a7 Kf7 56.a8=Q Rxa8 57.Rxa8
					Kxe7 58.dxc3 Bd3 59.Kg1

But, when it all comes down to it, Chezzz won the game, so Congratulations!

jm

P.S. -- It was a Mate in 8 at the end :-)

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	14.61	750		55...Kf7 56.a8=Q c5 57.Qc8
0:00	1/4	14.78	2073		55...Kf7 56.a8=Q c5 57.Ra7+ Kg6
					58.Qd5
0:00	2/5	15.35	8812		55...Kf7 56.a8=Q h6 57.Rf8+ Kg6
					58.Qe8+ Kg5 59.Ra5+ Bf5 60.Qxc6
0:00	2/5	15.27	10550		55...Kg7 56.a8=Q Kh6 57.Qxc6 Kg6
					58.Qd5
0:00	3/6	15.67	22122		55...Kg7 56.a8=Q Kh6 57.Re6 Kg7
					58.Ra7+ Kg6 59.Qg8+ Kf5 60.Rxh7
0:01	4/7	Mate10	124684		55...Kg7 56.a8=Q Bd4 57.Rg8+ Kf7
					58.Qe8+ Kf6 59.Qxc6+ Kf5 60.Ra5+
					Be5 61.Qd7+ Kf6 62.Ra6+ Bd6 63.Rxd6+
					Ke5 64.Qe6+ Kf4 65.Rg4#
0:03	4/7	19.99	296536		55...Kf7 56.a8=Q Be4 57.Rxe4 Kg6
					58.Rxc4 h5 59.Qe8+ Kh6 60.Rxc6
0:06	5/8	Mate09	547072		55...Kf7 56.a8=Q Bf5 57.Qxc6 Bd4
					58.Qc7+ Kg6 59.Rg8+ Kf6 60.Ra6+
					Bb6 61.Rxb6+ Be6 62.Qf4+ Ke7 63.Qf8+
					Kd7 64.Qd8#
0:11	6/9	Mate08	1078620		55...Kf7 56.a8=Q Bf5 57.Qxc6 Bd4
					58.Qc7+ Kg6 59.Rg8+ Kf6 60.Qd6+
					Be6 61.Qxd4+ Ke7 62.Qd8+ Kf7 63.Qf8#

0:17	6/9	Mate09	1671757		55...Kg7 56.a8=Q Bd4 57.Rg8+ Kf7
					58.Qe8+ Kf6 59.Qxc6+ Kf7 60.Qe8+
					Kf6 61.Ra6+ Bb6 62.Rxb6+ Kf5 63.Qe6+
					Kf4 64.Rg4#
0:32	7/10	Mate08	3474046		55...Kg7 56.a8=Q Bd4 57.Ra7+ Kh6
					58.Qd8 Be4 59.Qxd4 Kg6 60.Qg7+
					Kh5 61.Re5+ Bf5 62.Rxf5+ Kh4 63.Qg5#




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