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Subject: Re: Shredder 6 First Impressions & Playing Opening Gambits

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 03:05:51 12/18/01

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Here is depth 14

Yace(only material) can see no problem with h5

Shredder 6 - Goliath Light 1.5
[D]r1bq1k1r/pp2n1pp/3p2n1/5p2/2BP4/B1P2Q2/P1P2PPP/1R2R1K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

14...h5 15.Be6 Qc7 16.Bxc8 Rxc8 17.Qxb7 Kf7 18.Qxc7 Rxc7 19.Bxd6 Rxc3 20.Rb7 Re8
21.Rxa7 Rxc2
  -+  (-1.70)   Depth: 14   00:11:08  364802kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 18.12.2001)

yace default version also likes h5 when goliath
can see nothing even at depth 14.

I think that test suites simply do not test tactics
but only tactics that humans can understand and
the important tactics in games is the tactics
that humans cannot understand and computers can
(for example understanding that Rb8 is losing material).

Shredder 6 - Goliath Light 1.5
[D]r1bq1k1r/pp2n1pp/3p2n1/5p2/2BP4/B1P2Q2/P1P2PPP/1R2R1K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Yace 0.99.56:

14...Rg8 15.Bxg8 Nxg8
  ²  (0.55)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
14...Qd7
  ³  (-0.33)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
14...Qc7
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
14...h5
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 1   00:00:04
14...h5 15.Bb2
  ³  (-0.37)   Depth: 2   00:00:04
14...Qc7 15.Qg4
  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 2   00:00:04
14...Qc7 15.Qe2
  ³  (-0.43)   Depth: 2   00:00:04
14...Qc7 15.Qe2 Bd7
  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 3   00:00:04
14...Qc7 15.Qe2 Bd7 16.Bb2
  ³  (-0.54)   Depth: 4   00:00:04
14...Qc7 15.Rb4 a5 16.Ra4 Bd7
  µ  (-0.76)   Depth: 5   00:00:04  31kN
14...Qc7 15.Bd5 h5 16.Bxb7 Nh4 17.Qf4
  ³  (-0.66)   Depth: 6   00:00:04  93kN
14...Qc7 15.Bd5 Rb8 16.c4 h5 17.Bb2 Nxd5 18.Qxd5
  µ  (-0.80)   Depth: 7   00:00:05  446kN
14...Qc7 15.Be6 Rb8 16.Bxc8 Rxc8 17.Qxb7 Qxb7 18.Rxb7 Rxc3
  ³  (-0.45)   Depth: 8   00:00:07  1278kN
14...h5 15.Qxh5 Rxh5 16.Rxe7
  ³  (-0.46)   Depth: 8   00:00:09  1655kN
14...h5 15.Be6 Rb8 16.Bc4 Qc7 17.Qe2 Bd7 18.Bb2
  ³  (-0.65)   Depth: 8   00:00:12  2784kN
14...h5 15.Re2 h4 16.h3 Rb8 17.Rbe1 Qc7 18.Qd3 Nf4
  µ  (-0.73)   Depth: 9   00:00:30  9244kN
14...Rb8 15.Re2 b5 16.Bxb5 Qd7 17.Bxd6 Rxb5 18.c4 Rxb1+ 19.Re1
  µ  (-0.74)   Depth: 9   00:00:44  14262kN
14...Rb8 15.Be6 h5 16.Re3 b6 17.Rbe1 Nh4
  µ  (-0.76)   Depth: 9   00:00:57  18407kN
14...Rb8 15.Rb5 Qc7 16.Bb3 Bd7 17.Rd5 Nxd5 18.Qxd5 Ra8 19.Bxd6+ Qxd6 20.Qxd6+
Ne7
  ³  (-0.36)   Depth: 10   00:02:14  47239kN
14...Rb8 15.Rb5 Qc7 16.Bb3
  ³  (-0.36)   Depth: 10   00:02:18  48797kN
14...h5 15.Re2
  ³  (-0.37)   Depth: 10   00:02:23  51182kN
14...h5 15.Be6 Rb8 16.Qg3 f4 17.Qg5 Qc7 18.Bxc8
  ³  (-0.66)   Depth: 10   00:02:57  62823kN
14...h5 15.Bd3 Qd7 16.Rb3 Kg8 17.Qg3 f4 18.Qg5 Rh6 19.Bc1 f3
  ³  (-0.66)   Depth: 11   00:05:46  122912kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 18.12.2001)
Shredder 6 - Goliath Light 1.5
r1bq1k1r/pp2n1pp/3p2n1/5p2/2BP4/B1P2Q2/P1P2PPP/1R2R1K1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Goliath Light 1.5:

14...a5 15.Qd3
  -+  (-1.71)   Depth: 6/10   00:00:00
14...a5 15.Qd3
  µ  (-1.09)   Depth: 6/10   00:00:00  5kN
14...a5 15.Qd3
  -+  (-1.43)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:00  12kN
14...Qc7
  -+  (-1.55)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:00  18kN
14...Qc7 15.Qd3 Nh4
  -+  (-1.51)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:00  19kN
14...Qc7 15.Qd3 Nh4
  -+  (-1.51)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:00  28kN
14...Qc7 15.Qd3 Nh4
  -+  (-1.84)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:00  70kN
14...Qc7 15.Qd3 f4 16.Qe2
  -+  (-1.68)   Depth: 7/20   00:00:00  72kN
14...Qc7 15.Qd3 f4 16.Qe2
  -+  (-1.68)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:00  102kN
14...Qc7 15.Qd3 b6 16.Qe2 Bd7 17.Ba6
  -+  (-1.63)   Depth: 8/22   00:00:00  174kN
14...Qc7 15.Qd3 b6 16.Qe2 Bd7 17.Ba6
  -+  (-1.63)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:00  479kN
14...Qc7 15.Qd3 Bd7 16.Bb3 Re8 17.Qf3 Bc6
  -+  (-1.78)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:01  1012kN
14...Qc7 15.Qd3 Bd7 16.Bb3 Re8 17.Qf3 Bc6
  -+  (-1.78)   Depth: 10/28   00:00:01  1094kN
14...Qc7 15.Qd3 Bd7 16.Bb3 Re8 17.Qf3 Bc6
  -+  (-1.48)   Depth: 10/31   00:00:02  2511kN
14...Qc7 15.Be6 a6 16.Bxc8 Rxc8 17.Qxb7 Qxb7 18.Rxb7 Rc6
  µ  (-1.25)   Depth: 10/33   00:00:04  3748kN
14...a5
  µ  (-1.36)   Depth: 10/33   00:00:04  5001kN
14...a5 15.Bb5
  µ  (-1.35)   Depth: 10/33   00:00:05  5178kN
14...a6
  -+  (-1.46)   Depth: 10/34   00:00:06  6464kN
14...a6 15.Bd5 Rb8 16.c4 Qc7 17.Be4 b6 18.Bd5 Nxd5 19.Qxd5
  -+  (-1.56)   Depth: 10/34   00:00:06  6713kN
14...Rb8
  -+  (-1.67)   Depth: 10/34   00:00:06  7537kN
14...Rb8 15.Qh5 b6 16.Qg5 Qc7 17.Bb3 Bd7 18.Qe3
  -+  (-1.71)   Depth: 10/34   00:00:10  10833kN
14...Rb8 15.Qh5 b6 16.Qg5 Qc7 17.Bb3 Bd7 18.Qe3
  -+  (-1.71)   Depth: 11/34   00:00:10  11263kN
14...Rb8 15.Bb3 b6 16.Qh5 Qc7 17.Qg5 Bb7 18.Bb4 Re8
  -+  (-1.83)   Depth: 11/34   00:00:20  21752kN
14...Rb8 15.Bb3 b6 16.Qh5 Qc7 17.Qg5 Bb7 18.Bb4 Re8
  -+  (-1.83)   Depth: 12/35   00:00:21  23535kN
14...Rb8 15.Bb3 Qc7 16.Bc1 b5 17.Qg3 Bb7 18.Bg5 Be4 19.f3
  -+  (-1.71)   Depth: 12/36   00:00:28  31460kN
14...Rb8 15.Bb3 Qc7 16.Bc1 b5 17.Qg3 Bb7 18.Bg5 Be4 19.f3
  -+  (-1.71)   Depth: 13/38   00:00:39  47109kN
14...Rb8 15.Bb3 Qc7 16.Bc1 b5 17.Qg3 Bb7 18.Bg5 Be4 19.f3
  -+  (-1.41)   Depth: 13/41   00:01:07  83624kN
14...Rb8 15.h4 h5 16.Qg3 f4 17.Qg5 Bf5 18.Be2 Qc7 19.Bxh5
  -+  (-1.42)   Depth: 13/44   00:02:20  161103kN
14...Rb8 15.h4 h5 16.Qg3 f4 17.Qg5 Bf5 18.Be2 Qc7 19.Bxh5
  -+  (-1.42)   Depth: 14/44   00:03:35  264485kN
14...Rb8 15.h4 h5 16.Qg3 f4 17.Qg5 Bf5 18.Be2 Qc7 19.Rbc1
  -+  (-1.43)   Depth: 14/44   00:05:31  451052kN

(Blass, Tel-aviv 18.12.2001)

Uri



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