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Subject: Re: Null move and move ordering stats

Author: David Rasmussen

Date: 16:20:37 12/19/01

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On December 19, 2001 at 16:23:44, Severi Salminen wrote:

>>One of the move ordering stats I keep track of is the ratio of
>>fail highs on the first mv vs. the number of total fail highs.
>>Previously this number has been at 87% for the first 100 problems
>>of the Win at Chess suite.  (My eval is so simple I don't bother
>>testing more than that yet. :) )
>>
>>With a pretty kludgy null search with R=2, I'm getting a few more
>>problems right, and searching a little deeper on average.  An
>>observation I made, though, is that the ratio mentioned above fell
>>to 78% - a delta of 9%.
>
>I get something like 96% with nullmoves and 99% without. But this was only one
>position (after 1.e4 e5 2.d4 d5). I don't use hashtables yet, which will improve
>the figures even more. 78% is way too low, but the reason is probably poor
>ordering, not nullmove itself.
>
>Severi

Either you have extremely good move ordering, you have a bug, or you're counting
in quiescence search also, which is "cheating". 96% is very very high. Crafty
gets 90% here.

/David



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