Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 11:04:24 12/20/01
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On December 20, 2001 at 11:28:37, Frank Quisinsky wrote:
>On December 20, 2001 at 06:54:21, Georg Langrath wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>for me is absolutly clear, that commercial computerchess is in 2-3 years to
>70%-80% death. Commercial programs are in the future only interesting for the
>market, big shops or so.
>
>In 2-3 years we have more good freeware GUIs, more strong and free available
>engines. The hardware is faster, top programs are maybe 50 ELO better to compare
>the best free available engines or not better.
>
>Commercial firms must thinking about better concepts for the next years. In the
>past people spend money for games and I sure in the past for engines. And now ?
>
>Chess server :-))
>5 years available in USA :-)
>
>We have only ~ 8 professionls, 120-150 WinBoard engines, other chess software.
>People must learn with time. Yesterday we love MChess, today Yace and tomorrow
>Leila.
>
>The work from all programmers is important and not the work from 1-2 programmers
>which not go with time and own concepts.
120-150 amateur Winboard chess engines, 90%-95% of them being essentially
partial Crafty clones (I mean using the same techniques, or only a subset of the
same techniques).
I know you love these engines, but I fail to see what they are doing for the
general audience interest.
They are great achievements by the programmers, and I would not deny that. I
know how a programmer feels when its engine works and starts winning games. I
have felt the same several years ago, so I know they are proud and they are
rightly so.
But I view them essentially as personal achievements. They will be a
contribution to computer chess only if their author keeps on developping them
for 5 to 10 more years and if they manage to achieve major performance boosts
with NEW techniques.
Quantity will never replace quality.
>So, commercial firms must learn a little bit, must more make for user. The best
>example is Christophe Theron ... here available for all user. But the most of
>the programmers make 1x in the year a version, people must give money and not
>more.
>
>We have a new multimedia time, but most of the older top programmers are live in
>the past.
>
>Other, a good example is Steen Suurballe with a WinBoard version for all
>commercial GUIs goes with the time.
>
>Important is, that we all have a nice time with computer chess and must not live
>from commercial computer chess. If people must live from commercial computer
>chess, please better events and new ideas for chess software and not:
>
>Fritz - Kramnik and the 5x Computer Chess World Champion Shredder is sitting at
>home and is looking Micky Mouse.
>
>For the older commercial computer chess guys ... goes with time please or
>commercial computer chess to 90% death in 2-3 years.
I agree with you that computer chess companies have to do new things, because
very few people are interested in buying the latest program, when they are still
constantly beaten by CM2100.
Christophe
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