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Subject: thanks alot ;) (nt)

Author: pavel

Date: 23:11:11 12/20/01

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On December 21, 2001 at 01:49:52, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>Hi Pavel,
>
>> Any other chess program that you would recommend?
>>
>> (I have fritz5,6,7 junior6, chessmaster8k, gandalf4.32h)
>
>indeed a nice collection... :) Well, what would I recommend ? That's not easy to
>answer for me - I am more a collector then anything other, I have nearly
>everything... :) (Only two tops missing: I don't have any Junior and no
>Hiarcs... But I may change that in the near future... :)
>
>Again it depends on you... what you want to do with them... etc...
>
>If you love to see them playing eng-eng matches I would recommand to play around
>with the winboard-world... you will have enough to discover for the next 10
>years... especially when you want to get in contacts with some programmers,
>other persons etc, this is the best choice, no other part of the computer chess
>community is nearly as friendly and warm then the winboard-world, it's like a
>big family... as soon as commercial aspects are involved, things get colder...
>Well, that's life...
>
>okay, but now about the other commercials, I would give a try... (This is just
>an opinion, as less objectiv as any other opinion)
>Try to get any Shredder. A very good offer is the Millenium package 2001 at the
>moment. You get Shredder 5 (which I believe is still not much worser then the
>newest Shredder 6), Deep Shredder 5, Nimzo 2000, SOS and a good chosen part of
>the 5-stone tablebases... Look at Gambitsoft, current price is really cheap and
>it get's a clear "recommanded"-stamp from me... (Especially if you don't own any
>of the programs mentioned there) Also you get Nimzo 2000 and a winboard version
>of it, which you can use in any other GUI... (But not in ChessBase, simply
>forget the winboard-adapter there... it's just a piece of crap...)
>For SOS, Shredder 5 & Deep Shredder 5 there is also an adapter for winboard so
>that you can use those engines in other GUIs (well, without their own book...
>but anyway a good option)
>Why I favor this package over the current Shredder 6 ? I think the Shredder 5
>GUI is at least as good as the new Shredder GUI, some said that they like the
>old one even more... Instead of just one engine, you get 3 engines, Nimzo 2000
>is as strong as Nimzo 8 I believe, there isn't to much difference. You also can
>use them under different GUIs. And you get 4 CD's with the most important 5 men
>tablebases. And all this for 55$...
>
>Hm... what is next... I don't own Hiarcs... without Hiarcs a collection can't be
>completed... Well, I am waiting for Hiarcs 8 here...
>Also a Genius is definitely needed... You can get a version of Genius 2 (even a
>windows version, I think) at GambitSoft for free...
>You may also think about Rebel Century - Ed is the real dinosaur here and
>without any rebel a collection can't be completed... :) (Oh well, I met him once
>at the CSVN-Championship this spring - I think he did want to start a
>conversation and I was very far away with my mind and didn't know who he is...
>So the conversation was VERY short... what a pitty... hopefully he was not too
>angry about me at that point, but I was in 7th heaven, thinking about my wins
>against TheKing and SOS... :)
>
>if you can get somewhere for less money (don't spent more then 10 bucks on it,
>for sure you will get it somewhere for that price) Chess System Tal 2, get it...
>it is a very interesting engine - not as strong as the best, but plays with an
>interesting style... the GUI is somewhat bad, but on the other hand, this now
>quite old program was already capable to connect to FICS or ICC, I think it was
>the first commercial program which could do that...
>
>So well, at the moment I didn't get more out of my mind... I myself own in
>addition to the above mentioned software some very old products and the
>Millenium Package 2000 where Genius 3-6.5 is included... also I own ChessVision
>which I would recommand NOT to buy... :) But as I have mentioned above, I am a
>collector, the chess software running the most on my PC is my chess engine and
>winboard... I am a hardcore winboarder... :)
>
>Greets, Thomas
>
>P.S.: If someone reads the full posting: At the moment I search a cheap Hiarcs
>7.32, a cheap Junior 7 and a cheap MChess Pro, whatever version... So if you
>want to sell one... contact me... oh, and of course a cheap ChessAcademy 6 to
>test their winboard adapter...



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