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Subject: Re: Null move and move ordering stats

Author: José Carlos

Date: 08:40:17 12/21/01

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On December 21, 2001 at 11:33:48, Will Singleton wrote:

>On December 21, 2001 at 09:27:01, José Carlos wrote:
>
>>On December 21, 2001 at 02:14:48, Will Singleton wrote:
>>
>>>On December 20, 2001 at 18:31:41, Dan Newman wrote:
>>>
>>>>>What kind of move you search first in case you don't have the move from
>>>>>hashtable?
>>>>>
>>>>>Ren.
>>>>
>>>>If I'm in the PV, I do an internal iterative deepening search and use
>>>>that move.  If not I generate the captures, sort them with a SEE,
>>>>and use the top one of those.
>>>>
>>>>-Dan.
>>>
>>>I was thinking of doing IID, and I'm not sure what you mean by the above.  Do
>>>you mean that if the ply 1 move is the pv move, then below that you always do
>>>IID in any branch?  And after the left side, you don't want to spend the effort
>>>to do IID because of ... ?
>>>
>>>Will
>>
>>  I can't speak for him, but I'll tell you what I do:
>>  I have 3 different "alphabetas": AB, AB_PV, and QSearch. In the root, I first
>>call AB_PV (which implements IID). For every 1st move, AB_PV calls AB_PV. For
>>the rest, it calls AB. AB allways calls AB.
>>  When AB_PV calls AB, and it returns a score above alpha (which is the only
>>bound I pass to AB), I open the window again and call AB_PV to see if this is
>>really a PV move.
>>  When depth=0, they both call QSearch.
>>  So I don't use IID in the whole left branch of the tree, but only in the "real
>>PV nodes".
>>  The reason is to apply it only on nodes that are searched with an open window
>>(BTW, I don't do any prunning in that nodes, because I expect them to be the
>>PV!). For the rest of the tree, I don't need "the best move", just a "good
>>enough move", that's why I don't bother to do IID there.
>>
>>  José C.
>
>OK, interesting.  Is the benefit significant?

  In my program it works fine. However, other programmers have reported no
benefit at all. Worth trying anyway.

  José C.



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