Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:26:18 12/27/01
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On December 27, 2001 at 08:11:39, Uri Blass wrote: >On December 26, 2001 at 17:32:14, Sune Larsson wrote: > >>On December 26, 2001 at 17:10:35, Martin Müller wrote: >> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>here the game: >>> >>> >>> >>>Shredder 6 - Plaskett,GM [E21] >>>26.12.2001 >>>[Müller,Martin] >>> >>>800MB, LINKS >>> 1.Sf3 Sf6 2.c4 e6 3.Sc3 Lb4 4.d4 b6 5.Dc2 Lb7 6.a3 Le4 7.Dd1 Lxc3+ 8.bxc3 d6 >>>9.e3 c5 10.Le2 0-0 11.0-0 Sc6 12.Lb2 De7 13.Sd2 Lg6 14.Tc1 Tac8 15.Te1 Sa5 >>>16.Sb3 Sxb3 17.Dxb3 e5 18.Da4 h5 19.Lf3 Se4 20.Le2 f5 21.Tcd1 Tc7 22.Ld3 Sf6 >>>23.Dc2 e4 24.Le2 Lf7 25.Tc1 Tfc8 26.Da4 Dd7 27.Db3 Le8 28.Da2 Da4 29.Ld1 Da6 >>>30.Le2 Lf7 31.d5 Le8 32.Tcd1 La4 33.Td2 Te8 34.h3 Tce7 35.Lf1 Dc8 36.Tde2 Kh7 >>>37.Td2 g5 38.Db1 Kh6 39.Lc1 Tg8 40.Le2 De8 41.Tb2 Kg7 42.Ld2 Kh8 43.Tf1 Ld7 >>>(Tc7) 44.Dc2 -0.82/13 1:51 Teg7 (g4) 45.Tbb1 -1.02/12 1:41 De5 (f4) 46.Lc1 >>> -1.40/12 48 h4 47.Kh1 -3.11/14 1:09 g4 48.hxg4 -2.16/13 15 Sxg4 49.Lxg4 >>> -1.97/14 0 Txg4 50.Tg1 -3.34/14 1:38 Dg7 (Le8) 51.De2 -2.81/14 30 Le8 >>>52.Df1 -4.40/14 14 Lh5 53.Ld2 -4.64/15 51 Dh7 (Df6) 54.Kh2 -4.39/14 1:12 >>> Tg3 55.Te1 -4.85/14 33 Lf3 56.gxf3 -5.33/17 0 Txg1 (exf3) 57.Dxg1 >>>-4.27/15 17 Txg1 58.Txg1 -4.57/16 0 exf3 59.e4 -4.64/16 9 fxe4 (De7) >>>60.Tg4 -4.48/15 1:05 0-1 >> >> >> What a lesson! Shredder was totally chanceless here... >> >> Sune > > >I was interested to know what was the losing material >move of shredder so I tried yace(only material) version to go >backward in order to find out the losing mistake. > >The values of material that yace knows are: >Queen=10.01,Rook=5,Bishop=3.5,Knight=3.4,Pawn=0.8 > >Here is some analysis of yace after learning that the game >positions were not good: > >Yace seems to say that 45.R2b1 was losing material when >45.Be1 was better. > >Yace also believes that later moves in the game >(46.Bc1 and 47.Kh1) were blunders but maybe >it simply cannot see deep enough becaue it has no game to learn >that 45.Be1,46.Rfe1,47.f3 are also bad. > > > >New game - Deep Fritz >[D]6rk/p2b2r1/1p1p1n2/2pPqpp1/2P1p2p/P1P1P2P/2Q1BPP1/1RB2RK1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Yace 0.99.56: > >47.Rxb6 axb6 > -+ (-4.10) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >47.a4 > = (0.10) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >47.a4 Ne8 > = (0.10) Depth: 2 00:00:00 >47.a4 Ne8 48.Bh5 > = (0.10) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >47.a4 Ne8 48.Bh5 g4 > = (0.10) Depth: 4 00:00:00 >47.a4 Ne8 48.Bh5 g4 49.hxg4 > = (0.10) Depth: 5 00:00:00 5kN >47.a4 Ne8 48.Bh5 g4 49.hxg4 fxg4 > = (0.10) Depth: 6 00:00:00 13kN >47.a4 g4 48.hxg4 Nxg4 49.Bxg4 Rxg4 50.Rxb6 axb6 51.Qxe4 > ³ (-0.30) Depth: 7 00:00:00 43kN >47.a4 g4 48.hxg4 Nxg4 49.Bxg4 Rxg4 50.Re1 Rxg2+ 51.Kf1 Qh2 52.Ra1 > µ (-0.80) Depth: 7 00:00:00 43kN >47.Re1 g4 48.hxg4 Ba4 49.Qxa4 fxg4 > µ (-0.79) Depth: 7 00:00:00 43kN >47.Re1 g4 48.hxg4 fxg4 49.a4 h3 50.gxh3 gxh3+ 51.Kf1 > = (0.10) Depth: 7 00:00:00 43kN >47.Re1 g4 48.hxg4 Nxg4 49.f4 exf3 50.Bxf3 Qh2+ 51.Kf1 Ne5 52.Qe2 Nxf3 > = (0.00) Depth: 8 00:00:00 198kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 g4 49.hxg4 Qxc3 50.Qxc3 Nxg4 > = (0.01) Depth: 8 00:00:01 580kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 g4 49.hxg4 fxg4 50.Rf4 h3 51.gxh3 gxh3+ 52.Kh1 > = (0.10) Depth: 8 00:00:01 580kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 b5 49.cxb5 g4 50.Bb2 gxf3 51.Bxf3 > ³ (-0.30) Depth: 9 00:00:01 1032kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 b5 49.cxb5 g4 50.hxg4 fxg4 51.Rxf6 Qxf6 52.b6 > ³ (-0.70) Depth: 9 00:00:02 1032kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 b5 49.cxb5 g4 50.hxg4 fxg4 51.Rxf6 Qxf6 52.b6 axb6 > ³ (-0.70) Depth: 10 00:00:04 2391kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 b5 49.cxb5 g4 50.hxg4 fxg4 51.Rxf6 Qxf6 52.b6 axb6 53.Rxb6 > ³ (-0.70) Depth: 11 00:00:10 6089kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 b5 49.cxb5 g4 50.hxg4 fxg4 51.Rxf6 Qxf6 52.b6 axb6 53.Rxb6 h3 > ³ (-0.70) Depth: 12 00:00:30 17474kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 b5 49.cxb5 g4 50.hxg4 fxg4 51.Rxf6 Qxf6 52.b6 axb6 53.Rxb6 h3 >54.gxh3 > ³ (-0.70) Depth: 13 00:01:25 49861kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 g4 49.hxg4 Rxg4 50.Bf1 Ne4 51.Rh3 Ng5 52.Rh1 Qg3 53.Rxb6 axb6 >54.Rh3 Nxh3+ 55.Kh1 > µ (-1.10) Depth: 14 00:03:30 119999kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 g4 49.hxg4 Rxg4 50.Rf2 Rxg2+ 51.Rxg2 Rxg2+ 52.Kxg2 h3+ 53.Kf1 >Qh2 54.Bd3 Qh1+ 55.Ke2 Qg2+ 56.Kd1 Ba4 57.Qxa4 h2 58.Bd2 > -+ (-1.41) Depth: 14 00:05:14 178158kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 g4 49.hxg4 Rxg4 50.Bf1 Ne4 51.Qd3 Ng5 52.Rf4 Nh3+ 53.Kh2 Nxf4 >54.exf4 Qe4 55.Qxe4 fxe4 56.Kh1 > -+ (-1.50) Depth: 15 00:13:01 438106kN >47.f3 exf3 48.Rxf3 g4 49.hxg4 Rxg4 50.Bf1 Ne4 51.Qd3 Ng5 52.Rf4 Nh3+ 53.Kh2 Nxf4 >54.exf4 Qe4 55.Qxe4 fxe4 56.Kh1 Ba4 > -+ (-1.50) Depth: 16 00:39:00 1237129kN > >(Blass, Tel-aviv 27.12.2001) > >New game - Deep Fritz >[D]6rk/p2b2r1/1p1p1n2/2pPqppp/2P1p3/P1P1P2P/2QBBPP1/1R3RK1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Yace 0.99.56: > >46.Bxh5 Nxh5 > -+ (-2.60) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >46.Rfe1 > = (0.10) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >46.Rfe1 Qe7 > = (0.10) Depth: 2 00:00:00 >46.Rfe1 Qe7 47.Qb3 > = (0.10) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >46.Rfe1 Qe7 47.Qb3 h4 > = (0.10) Depth: 4 00:00:00 >46.Rfe1 Qe7 47.Qb3 h4 48.f3 > = (0.10) Depth: 5 00:00:00 5kN >46.Rfe1 Qe7 47.Qb3 h4 48.f3 exf3 > = (0.10) Depth: 6 00:00:00 12kN >46.Rfe1 Qe7 47.Qb3 h4 48.f3 exf3 49.gxf3 > = (0.10) Depth: 7 00:00:00 42kN >46.Rfe1 Qe7 47.Qb3 h4 48.f3 exf3 49.gxf3 g4 50.fxg4 > = (0.10) Depth: 8 00:00:00 121kN >46.Rfe1 Qe7 47.Qb3 h4 48.f3 exf3 49.gxf3 g4 50.fxg4 fxg4 > = (0.10) Depth: 9 00:00:00 281kN >46.Rfe1 Qe7 47.Qb3 h4 48.f3 exf3 49.gxf3 g4 50.fxg4 fxg4 51.hxg4 > = (0.10) Depth: 10 00:00:01 612kN >46.Rfe1 Qe7 47.Qb3 h4 48.f3 exf3 49.gxf3 g4 50.hxg4 fxg4 51.Kf1 gxf3 52.Bxf3 > = (0.10) Depth: 11 00:00:03 1360kN >46.Rfe1 Qe7 47.Qb3 h4 48.f3 exf3 49.gxf3 g4 50.hxg4 fxg4 51.Kf1 gxf3 52.Bxf3 h3 > = (0.10) Depth: 12 00:00:09 5533kN >46.Rfe1 g4 47.h4 g3 48.f3 exf3 49.gxf3 g2 50.f4 Qe7 51.Rb2 Ne4 52.Bxh5 Nxd2 >53.Qxd2 > = (0.00) Depth: 13 00:00:46 26623kN >46.Rfe1 f4 47.Kh1 fxe3 48.Bxe3 g4 49.h4 g3 50.fxg3 Rxg3 51.Bf1 Ng4 52.Bxc5 bxc5 >53.Kg1 > ³ (-0.40) Depth: 14 00:07:03 241302kN >46.Rfe1 f4 47.Kh1 fxe3 48.Bxe3 g4 49.h4 g3 50.fxg3 Rxg3 51.Bg5 Rxc3 52.Qb2 Nh7 >53.Bf4 > ³ (-0.70) Depth: 14 00:08:30 289114kN >46.Rfe1 f4 47.Kh1 fxe3 48.Bxe3 g4 49.h4 g3 50.fxg3 Rxg3 51.Bg5 Rxc3 52.Qb2 Nh7 >53.Bf4 Qf6 54.Bxh5 > ³ (-0.70) Depth: 15 00:19:50 671428kN > >(Blass, Tel-aviv 27.12.2001) > >New game - Deep Fritz >4q1rk/p2b2r1/1p1p1n2/2pP1ppp/2P1p3/P1P1P2P/1RQBBPP1/5RK1 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Yace 0.99.56: > >45.Bxh5 Nxh5 > -+ (-2.60) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >45.Re1 > = (0.10) Depth: 1 00:00:00 >45.Re1 g4 > = (0.10) Depth: 2 00:00:00 >45.Re1 g4 46.hxg4 > = (0.10) Depth: 3 00:00:00 >45.Re1 g4 46.hxg4 fxg4 > = (0.10) Depth: 4 00:00:00 >45.Re1 g4 46.hxg4 fxg4 47.Qc1 g3 > = (0.10) Depth: 5 00:00:00 3kN >45.Re1 g4 46.hxg4 fxg4 47.Qc1 g3 48.fxg3 > = (0.10) Depth: 6 00:00:00 6kN >45.Re1 g4 46.hxg4 fxg4 47.Qc1 g3 48.fxg3 Rxg3 > = (0.10) Depth: 7 00:00:00 17kN >45.Re1 g4 46.hxg4 fxg4 47.Qc1 g3 48.fxg3 Rxg3 49.Bf1 > = (0.10) Depth: 8 00:00:00 52kN >45.Re1 g4 46.hxg4 fxg4 47.Qc1 g3 48.fxg3 Rxg3 49.Bf1 Qe5 50.Rb3 > = (0.10) Depth: 9 00:00:00 167kN >45.Re1 g4 46.hxg4 fxg4 47.Qc1 g3 48.fxg3 Rxg3 49.Bf1 Qe5 50.Rb3 Ba4 > = (0.10) Depth: 10 00:00:00 340kN >45.Re1 g4 46.h4 g3 47.f3 exf3 48.gxf3 g2 49.Qc1 Ba4 50.Bd1 Bxd1 51.Rxd1 > = (0.10) Depth: 11 00:00:02 1251kN >45.Re1 g4 46.h4 g3 47.f3 exf3 48.gxf3 g2 49.Qc1 Ba4 50.Bd1 Bxd1 51.Rxd1 Qe5 > = (0.10) Depth: 12 00:00:04 2502kN >45.Re1 h4 46.Qc1 g4 47.hxg4 Nxg4 48.Bf1 Qe5 49.f3 exf3 50.e4 fxe4 51.Bf4 f2+ >52.Kh1 > ³ (-0.30) Depth: 13 00:00:26 15099kN >45.Re1 h4 46.f3 exf3 47.gxf3 Qe5 48.Bf1 Qg3+ 49.Bg2 g4 50.fxg4 fxg4 51.Kf1 gxh3 >52.Bh1 h2 53.Ke2 > ³ (-0.70) Depth: 13 00:00:38 21129kN >45.Rc1 g4 46.hxg4 fxg4 > ³ (-0.69) Depth: 13 00:00:48 27248kN >45.Rc1 h4 46.Be1 g4 47.hxg4 Nxg4 48.Bxg4 fxg4 49.Qb1 Ba4 50.g3 hxg3 51.fxg3 Qe5 >52.Kh1 > = (0.00) Depth: 13 00:01:17 43406kN >45.Rfb1 g4 46.h4 Ba4 47.Qc1 Bc2 48.Rxc2 Nxd5 > = (0.01) Depth: 13 00:01:29 50430kN >45.Rfb1 h4 46.Kh1 g4 47.Qc1 gxh3 48.gxh3 Qe5 > = (0.09) Depth: 13 00:01:41 55838kN >45.Bc1 g4 46.h4 Ba4 47.Qb1 Bc2 48.Rxc2 Nxd5 > = (0.10) Depth: 13 00:04:08 136790kN >45.Bc1 g4 46.h4 > = (0.10) Depth: 13 00:04:09 137412kN >45.Bc1 g4 46.h4 g3 47.f3 Qd8 48.fxe4 Nxd5 49.Rf4 Nxf4 50.exf4 > ³ (-0.30) Depth: 14 00:04:44 157211kN >45.Bc1 g4 46.h4 g3 47.f3 Qd8 48.Rd1 exf3 49.Bxf3 Ng4 50.e4 fxe4 51.Bxe4 Qxh4 >52.Re1 Qh2+ 53.Kf1 > ³ (-0.70) Depth: 14 00:05:15 174594kN >45.Rfb1 h4 46.Be1 g4 47.hxg4 Nxg4 48.Bxg4 Rxg4 49.g3 hxg3 50.fxg3 Rxg3+ 51.Bxg3 > ³ (-0.69) Depth: 14 00:06:14 208035kN >45.Rfb1 h4 46.Be1 g4 47.hxg4 Nxg4 48.Bxg4 Rxg4 49.g3 hxg3 50.fxg3 Ba4 51.Qc1 Qh5 >52.Kf1 Kg7 > = (0.00) Depth: 14 00:06:33 218818kN >45.Rfb1 g4 46.hxg4 Nxg4 47.Bxg4 hxg4 48.g3 Rh7 49.Be1 Ba4 50.Qd2 Qh5 51.f4 gxf3 >52.Rxb6 axb6 53.Rxb6 > ³ (-0.40) Depth: 15 00:15:19 510193kN >45.Rfb1 g4 46.h4 g3 47.fxg3 Rxg3 48.Bf1 Ng4 49.Be1 Nxe3 50.Qc1 Rh3 51.Kf2 Ng4+ >52.Ke2 > ³ (-0.70) Depth: 15 00:18:00 601211kN >45.Bd1 g4 46.h4 g3 > ³ (-0.69) Depth: 15 00:27:47 929366kN >45.Bd1 h4 46.Be1 g4 47.hxg4 Nxg4 48.Bxg4 Rxg4 49.g3 Qh5 50.Kg2 hxg3 51.fxg3 Ba4 >52.Qxa4 > = (-0.01) Depth: 15 00:29:47 996598kN >45.Be1 h4 > = (0.00) Depth: 15 00:42:29 1423465kN >45.Be1 h4 46.Kh1 g4 47.hxg4 Nxg4 48.Rg1 Ne5 49.Qd1 Ba4 50.Qc1 > = (0.00) Depth: 15 00:43:32 1457815kN > >(Blass, Tel-aviv 27.12.2001) > >Uri It seems that 45.Be1 was better than the game move Yace(only material) kept the 0.00 score for Be1 also at depth 16 when without learning yace can show the following analysis when you can see that Rbb1 fails low at depth 14: New game - Deep Fritz [D]4q1rk/p2b2r1/1p1p1n2/2pP1ppp/2P1p3/P1P1P2P/1RQBBPP1/5RK1 w - - 0 1 Analysis by Yace 0.99.56: 45.Bxh5 Nxh5 -+ (-2.60) Depth: 1 00:00:05 45.Re1 = (0.10) Depth: 1 00:00:05 45.Re1 Nh7 = (0.10) Depth: 2 00:00:05 45.Re1 Nh7 46.Qd1 = (0.10) Depth: 3 00:00:05 45.Re1 Nh7 46.Qd1 h4 = (0.10) Depth: 4 00:00:05 45.Re1 Nh7 46.Qd1 h4 47.Qb1 = (0.10) Depth: 5 00:00:05 2kN 45.Re1 Nh7 46.Qd1 h4 47.Qb1 Re7 = (0.10) Depth: 6 00:00:05 5kN 45.Re1 Nh7 46.Qd1 h4 47.Qb1 Re7 48.Qa1 = (0.10) Depth: 7 00:00:05 17kN 45.Re1 Nh7 46.Qd1 h4 47.Qb1 Re7 48.Qa1 Qc8 = (0.10) Depth: 8 00:00:05 55kN 45.Re1 Nh7 46.Qd1 h4 47.Qb1 Re7 48.Qa1 Qc8 49.Kh1 = (0.10) Depth: 9 00:00:05 161kN 45.Re1 Nh7 46.Qd1 h4 47.Qb1 Re7 48.Qa1 Qc8 49.Kh1 g4 = (0.10) Depth: 10 00:00:05 357kN 45.Re1 Nh7 46.Qd1 h4 47.Qb1 Re7 48.Qa1 Qc8 49.Kh1 g4 50.hxg4 = (0.10) Depth: 11 00:00:07 1285kN 45.Re1 Nh7 46.Qd1 h4 47.Qb1 Re7 48.Qa1 Qc8 49.Kh1 g4 50.hxg4 fxg4 = (0.10) Depth: 12 00:00:09 2579kN 45.Re1 h4 46.Qd1 g4 47.hxg4 Nxg4 48.Bf1 Qe5 49.Qxg4 fxg4 50.Rxb6 ³ (-0.30) Depth: 13 00:00:35 17006kN 45.Re1 h4 46.g3 g4 47.hxg4 Nxg4 48.Ra1 hxg3 49.fxg3 Qe5 50.Be1 Nxe3 51.Qc1 f4 52.Kh1 ³ (-0.70) Depth: 13 00:00:52 25754kN 45.Rc1 Ba4 46.Qb1 g4 47.hxg4 fxg4 ³ (-0.69) Depth: 13 00:01:05 33666kN 45.Rc1 h4 46.Be1 g4 47.hxg4 Nxg4 48.Bxg4 fxg4 49.Qb1 Ba4 50.g3 hxg3 51.fxg3 Qe5 52.Kh1 = (0.00) Depth: 13 00:01:12 37714kN 45.Rfb1 Ba4 46.Qc1 g4 47.g3 gxh3 48.Qf1 Ng4 49.Qxh3 Nxf2 50.Kxf2 Rxg3 51.Qxg3 Bc2 = (0.01) Depth: 13 00:01:25 45007kN 45.Rfb1 h4 46.Kh1 g4 47.Qc1 gxh3 48.gxh3 Rg1+ 49.Qxg1 Rxg1+ 50.Rxg1 Qe5 = (0.09) Depth: 13 00:01:34 50236kN 45.Rbb1 g4 46.h4 Ba4 47.Qc1 Bc2 48.Qxc2 Nxd5 = (0.10) Depth: 13 00:04:00 133877kN 45.Rbb1 g4 46.h4 = (0.10) Depth: 13 00:04:00 133877kN 45.Rbb1 g4 46.h4 g3 47.f3 Qd8 48.Qc1 exf3 49.Rxf3 Ng4 50.Rxg3 Qxh4 51.Bxg4 Qxg3 52.Be1 ³ (-0.30) Depth: 14 00:04:48 161498kN 45.Rbb1 g4 46.h4 g3 47.Bd1 gxf2+ 48.Rxf2 f4 49.exf4 e3 50.Re2 Re7 51.Be1 Bg4 52.Kh1 Bxe2 ³ (-0.60) Depth: 14 00:05:39 190304kN 45.Rfb1 h4 46.Be1 g4 47.hxg4 Nxg4 48.Bxg4 Rxg4 49.g3 hxg3 50.fxg3 Rxg3+ 51.Bxg3 Rxg3+ 52.Kf1 Ba4 53.Qc1 Rh3 ³ (-0.59) Depth: 14 00:06:08 206772kN 45.Rfb1 h4 46.Be1 g4 47.hxg4 Nxg4 48.Bxg4 Rxg4 49.g3 hxg3 50.fxg3 Ba4 51.Qc1 Qe5 52.Kf1 Kg7 = (0.00) Depth: 14 00:06:33 220590kN (Blass, Tel-aviv 27.12.2001) Uri
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