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Subject: Re: questions about WAC

Author: Miguel A. Ballicora

Date: 07:30:12 12/27/01

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On December 27, 2001 at 07:11:57, Uri Blass wrote:

>On December 27, 2001 at 06:58:41, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>
>>On December 27, 2001 at 03:51:22, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>The only problem that it could not solve in a reasonable time
>>>is WAC 2
>>>I guess that it needs depth 13 in order to solve it
>>>and the estimated time that
>>>it needs to get this depth is at least some hours.
>>
>>Nothing to worry about. WAC 2 is hard, both for search
>>and eval. I get it at ply 11-13 depending on the extensions.
>>Usually 10-30s on Athlon 1000.
>>
>>>The hardest problem for it
>>>(from the problems that it solved) was WAC 22
>>>but I consider it as a positional problem because
>>>there are many moves that win a pawn for white to get equality
>>>in material.
>>
>>>Qh5 is one of them and my program found Nxf7 at depth 4
>>>but changed it's mind at depth 6 to Qh5 only to change
>>>it's mind later again to Nxf7 at depth 7.
>>
>>I get +1 for white with Nxf7 at 13 ply.
>>
>>After playing out Qh5 I get g6 and BLACK up 0.70 pawns.
>>
>>So Qh5 looks a lot worse as Nxf7 for my program.
>>
>>--
>>GCP
>
>I agree that Qh5 is worse than Nxf7 but for positional reasons
>
>If you use only material evaluation both moves lead to equality and
>
>My program has now no evaluation except piece square table
>and I prefer to test it to see that it has no bugs
>before adding new evaluation terms.

Then just forget about this position. Besides, it is positional rather than
tactical.

Miguel

>There are other moves that lead to equality from material
>point of view and Ba2 that is written as one of the solution
>is one of them.
>
>Yace(only material) evaluates Qh5 as 0.00 and later
>changes it's mind to believe that it is losing material and
>later changes it's mind again to 0.00 so maybe my program
>found that qh5 is losing material and I did not check it
>(it only gives main line and score in the end of the iteration
>and I am going to change it).
>
>Uri



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