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Subject: Re: EGTB question (let's make it a more neutral topic)

Author: Eugene Nalimov

Date: 22:05:26 12/28/01

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I did not generated those TBs yet... But here is statistics for KRNNKR:

wtm: Lost in   0:         635025
wtm: Lost in   1:         305822
wtm: Lost in   2:          52263
wtm: Lost in   3:           2253
wtm: Lost in   4:            198
wtm: Lost in   5:             11
wtm: Lost in   7:              1
wtm: Lost in   9:              1
wtm: Lost in  13:              8
wtm: Lost in  14:             10
wtm: Lost in  15:              1
wtm: Lost in  16:             21
wtm: Lost in  17:             33
wtm: Lost in  18:            138
wtm: Lost in  19:            134
wtm: Lost in  20:            171
wtm: Lost in  21:             90
wtm: Lost in  22:             42
wtm: Lost in  23:             78
wtm: Lost in  24:            107
wtm: Lost in  25:            161
wtm: Lost in  26:            223
wtm: Lost in  27:            193
wtm: Lost in  28:            154
wtm: Lost in  29:            135
wtm: Lost in  30:             66
wtm: Lost in  31:             54
wtm: Lost in  32:             43
wtm: Lost in  33:             39
wtm: Lost in  34:             29
wtm: Lost in  35:             29
wtm: Lost in  36:             15
wtm: Lost in  37:              9
wtm: Lost in  38:              7
wtm: Lost in  39:              4
wtm: Draws:            118405682
wtm: Mate in  42:              2
wtm: Mate in  41:             44
wtm: Mate in  40:            163
wtm: Mate in  39:            438
wtm: Mate in  38:           1126
wtm: Mate in  37:           2406
wtm: Mate in  36:           4712
wtm: Mate in  35:          10214
wtm: Mate in  34:          19831
wtm: Mate in  33:          40248
wtm: Mate in  32:          80989
wtm: Mate in  31:         155905
wtm: Mate in  30:         326043
wtm: Mate in  29:         732070
wtm: Mate in  28:        1733722
wtm: Mate in  27:        4108218
wtm: Mate in  26:        9274156
wtm: Mate in  25:       19089003
wtm: Mate in  24:       35010520
wtm: Mate in  23:       56512208
wtm: Mate in  22:       79895964
wtm: Mate in  21:       99165290
wtm: Mate in  20:      109540651
wtm: Mate in  19:      109782656
wtm: Mate in  18:      102307213
wtm: Mate in  17:       90323380
wtm: Mate in  16:       76996399
wtm: Mate in  15:       64661555
wtm: Mate in  14:       54833663
wtm: Mate in  13:       51583670
wtm: Mate in  12:       58870935
wtm: Mate in  11:       85400623
wtm: Mate in  10:      141353106
wtm: Mate in   9:      184735933
wtm: Mate in   8:      179832361
wtm: Mate in   7:      143695586
wtm: Mate in   6:       95875216
wtm: Mate in   5:       53840184
wtm: Mate in   4:       23369643
wtm: Mate in   3:       15639317
wtm: Mate in   2:       11167221
wtm: Mate in   1:       13902514
wtm: Broken positions: 447037334
btm: Lost in   0:        2665158
btm: Lost in   1:        1830996
btm: Lost in   2:        1235360
btm: Lost in   3:        1458724
btm: Lost in   4:        2519273
btm: Lost in   5:        5325005
btm: Lost in   6:       10184886
btm: Lost in   7:       17350432
btm: Lost in   8:       27673536
btm: Lost in   9:       38873457
btm: Lost in  10:       41928561
btm: Lost in  11:       35820790
btm: Lost in  12:       31306580
btm: Lost in  13:       30040606
btm: Lost in  14:       35114298
btm: Lost in  15:       44750911
btm: Lost in  16:       57162782
btm: Lost in  17:       71981325
btm: Lost in  18:       87834640
btm: Lost in  19:      102530998
btm: Lost in  20:      112795722
btm: Lost in  21:      114456139
btm: Lost in  22:      103738652
btm: Lost in  23:       81887604
btm: Lost in  24:       55869247
btm: Lost in  25:       32988981
btm: Lost in  26:       16959493
btm: Lost in  27:        7670672
btm: Lost in  28:        3224396
btm: Lost in  29:        1345159
btm: Lost in  30:         599294
btm: Lost in  31:         289784
btm: Lost in  32:         143127
btm: Lost in  33:          66518
btm: Lost in  34:          32920
btm: Lost in  35:          15270
btm: Lost in  36:           6917
btm: Lost in  37:           3285
btm: Lost in  38:           1528
btm: Lost in  39:            425
btm: Lost in  40:            116
btm: Lost in  41:             22
btm: Lost in  42:              3
btm: Draws:           1293094089
btm: Mate in  41:             43
btm: Mate in  40:            228
btm: Mate in  39:            964
btm: Mate in  38:           1437
btm: Mate in  37:           4710
btm: Mate in  36:           8743
btm: Mate in  35:           9723
btm: Mate in  34:          14529
btm: Mate in  33:          18046
btm: Mate in  32:          25308
btm: Mate in  31:          28746
btm: Mate in  30:          40902
btm: Mate in  29:          61049
btm: Mate in  28:          71580
btm: Mate in  27:          77772
btm: Mate in  26:          79650
btm: Mate in  25:          88874
btm: Mate in  24:          91360
btm: Mate in  23:          84030
btm: Mate in  22:          70021
btm: Mate in  21:          66770
btm: Mate in  20:          74687
btm: Mate in  19:         103615
btm: Mate in  18:         101279
btm: Mate in  17:          59647
btm: Mate in  16:          24745
btm: Mate in  15:          15128
btm: Mate in  14:          10292
btm: Mate in  13:           6367
btm: Mate in  12:           2979
btm: Mate in  11:           2025
btm: Mate in  10:           1836
btm: Mate in   9:           1536
btm: Mate in   8:           3452
btm: Mate in   7:           2363
btm: Mate in   6:           5286
btm: Mate in   5:          11600
btm: Mate in   4:          39398
btm: Mate in   3:         322779
btm: Mate in   2:        1951027
btm: Mate in   1:        4493961
btm: Broken positions: 438220752

Will move KBNNKQ, KBNNKR, and KNNNKR higher in my "TODO" list.

Eugene

On December 28, 2001 at 13:32:46, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>On December 28, 2001 at 08:51:30, Mike Hood wrote:
>
>>On December 27, 2001 at 22:30:26, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On December 27, 2001 at 22:25:20, Gogi Cviak wrote:
>>>
>>>>Guys, if u know a programmer, let me know, somebody who knows chess and
>>>>checkers,  this is strictly for fun, no sales!
>>>
>>>There are dozens of programmers who post here.
>>>
>>>>can 3 knights beat a rook,
>>>
>>>Yes.  And no.  Depends on the position.
>>>
>>>>can 2 knights and a bishop win against a rook,
>>>
>>>Yes.  And no.  Depends on the position.
>>>
>>>>what do the databases say?
>>>
>>>Try a lookup and see.  There is an online version of the Nalimov tables that you
>>>can query to your heart's content.
>>
>>I'm not aware that there's a KBNN-KR tablebase available, or in fact any 6 piece
>>tablebases for Kxxx-Kx. I would be more interested in KBNN-KQ, if anyone has a
>>computer powerful enough to generate it.
>>
>>A general question is... are there any 6-piece tablebases available anywhere
>>apart from Bob Hyatt's server?
>
>KBNN vs KQ has to be drawn:
>
>1) The queen isn't going to beat the pieces, since there are lots of pieces.
>2) The pieces aren't going to beat the queen, since QxB is a draw.
>
>KBNN vs KR is interesting to think about.
>
>1) RxB is drawn, but ...
>2) ... RB vs R is almost won, and that's one "point" less.  Of course, RxB is
>*not* draw in that case.
>
>If it is won, I bet it is *extremely* difficult.  I'd bet on drawn.
>
>KNNN vs KR can't possibly be a win for the knights, since RxN is drawn, and
>there are three of them to threaten.  In KBN vs KRR, "all" you have to do to win
>is win an exchange with a knight while preserving your bishop, but in this one
>you have to win a whole rook while preserving everything.
>
>Interesting questions.
>
>bruce



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