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Subject: Re: Question for Nalimov and Mooreland/Do you think KNN V K is injustice?

Author: Gogi Cviak

Date: 00:34:39 12/29/01

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so u r a programmer pal? Glad u answered some!

how to set this up, what r the web sites I could do that?


[D]3k4/Q6Q/R4N1R/1B3N2/1B6/8/8/QQQKQQQQ b

Trust me that draw, I saw it before at the bottom! THAT IS NOT THE POINT!

On December 29, 2001 at 03:23:37, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On December 29, 2001 at 03:03:30, Gogi Cviak wrote:
>
>>>KNNN vs KR can't possibly be a win for the knights, since RxN is drawn, and
>>>there are three of them to threaten.  In KBN vs KRR, "all" you have to do to win
>>>is win an exchange with a knight while preserving your bishop, but in this one
>>>you have to win a whole rook while preserving everything.
>>-Interesting Questions
>>
>>-Bruce
>>
>>so KBN VS KRR, can they win? When will all this 6 pieces be finished and I dont
>>mean those with the pawns, but I would suggest to Eugene to make the most
>>important endings, like: RPPKRK, IS THIS REALLY A DRAW? Will be ever see perfect
>>moves for this?
>
>RPPKRK {KRPPkr} is eons away.  Don't expect to see one this year or next.
>As to your second question, see for yourself:
>[D]7k/PP6/8/8/8/rR6/2K5/8 w - - acn 15759; acs 0; bm Rxa3; ce 32758; dm 5; pv
>Rxa3 Kg8 b8=Q+ Kg7 Qb6 Kh7 Qg1 Kh8 Rh3#;
>
>>SO KNNN is a draw, but KNNB VS rook is also a draw?
>>KRNN VS KR I ALSO THINK IS A DRAW what about
>>KRBN VS KR, i think we have a win there in over 200 moves? same with KRBB?
>
>None of these are as interesting as highly winnable yet difficult positions.
>For each of the above, there will be some positions that are winable.
>[D]k7/7r/K1N5/3N4/8/8/8/8 w - - acn 1; acs 0; bm Nb6#; ce 32766; dm 1; pv Nb6#;
>For added enjoyment, throw on another minor piece somewhere.
>
>>Hey if this happens I guess it should be played in real matches, sorry, a win is
>>a win, sure there can be a break, but play must continue...
>>
>>NOW, KNN V K, IS  A DRAW, but dont u think that is A HUGE INJUSTICE IN CHESS, I
>>MEAN THAT'S 6.25 POINTS, DONT U THINK IN THAT CASE THERE SHOULD BE A NEW RULE,
>>LIKE ADDING A PAWN OR A BISHOP?
>
>There is no injustice in following the rules.  That's what rules are for.  If
>you would like to see them changed, send a memo to FIDE.  How about this draw:
>[D]3k4/Q6Q/R4N1R/1B3N2/1B6/8/8/QQQKQQQQ b - - acd 1; acn 1; acs 1; ce 0;
>
>>So, tell me KNNN VS KB, IS THIS A WIN? how many moves?
>
>Unfortunately, that tb file is not found here yet:
>ftp://ftp.cis.uab.edu/pub/hyatt/TB/six/
>
>>Ken Thompson's endings, I know they are different format from Nalimov's but I am
>>wondering, they both used different methods in finding the perfect moves?
>
>Why not read Aaron Tay's Winboard FAQ about tablebase files?



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