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Subject: Re: If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.....

Author: Jeroen van Dorp

Date: 08:14:35 12/30/01

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Where's the snag? White playing f6 and both checking both the black pawn on a3
and the advancing black pawns in the center?
Or am I looking for troubles where there are none? :)

I let them crunch 5 minutes each. On an antique  PIII@840MHz

J.

[D]1r4k1/6b1/3p4/2P1pP2/b5Q1/p2qB3/5PPK/2R5 b - - 0 0

Shredder 6
  1.00	 0:00 	+0.55--	1...Qd4 2.Bxd4 exd4 (2) 0.0
  1.00	 0:00 	-0.11--	1...Qd4 2.Bxd4 exd4 (5) 0.0
  1.00	 0:00 	-3.99 	1...Qd4 2.Bxd4 exd4 3.cxd6 (11) 0.1
  1.00	 0:00 	-3.12++	1...Rb1 2.Rxb1 (12) 0.2
  1.00	 0:00 	-2.25++	1...Rb1 2.Rxb1 (14) 0.2
  1.00	 0:00 	+0.16 	1...Rb1 2.Rxb1 Qxb1 3.Qxa4 (24) 0.4
  1.00	 0:00 	+0.66++	1...e4 2.cxd6 (26) 0.4
  1.00	 0:00 	+1.83++	1...e4 2.cxd6 (28) 0.4
  1.00	 0:00 	+5.55 	1...e4 2.cxd6 Qxd6+ 3.Kg1 (39) 0.6
  2.00	 0:00 	+5.13--	1...e4 2.Ra1 dxc5 3.Bxc5 (109) 1.9
  2.00	 0:00 	+4.32--	1...e4 2.f6 dxc5 3.Qxg7+ (147) 2.5
  2.00	 0:00 	+4.29 	1...e4 2.c6 (186) 3.2
  2.00	 0:00 	+4.42++	1...Bd7 2.Rh1 (242) 4.1
  2.00	 0:00 	+4.78++	1...Bd7 2.cxd6 Qxd6 (286) 4.9
  2.00	 0:00 	+4.78 	1...Bd7 2.cxd6 Qxd6 (291) 5.0
  2.00	 0:00 	+4.80++	1...Bc6 2.Rb1 (336) 5.6
  2.00	 0:00 	+4.83 	1...Bc6 2.cxd6 Qxd6 (380) 6.4
  3.00	 0:00 	+4.52--	1...Bc6 2.cxd6 Qa6 (551) 9.1
  3.00	 0:00 	+3.83--	1...Bc6 2.Rd1 Qxd1 3.Qxd1 dxc5 (1.046) 16.6
  3.00	 0:00 	+3.19 	1...Bc6 2.Rd1 Qc3 3.cxd6 (1.269) 19.5
  3.00	 0:00 	+3.25++	1...Bc2 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.cxd6 (1.979) 28.2
  3.00	 0:00 	+3.66++	1...Bc2 2.cxd6 e4 (2.066) 29.0
  3.00	 0:00 	+3.91 	1...Bc2 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.cxd6 Qxd6 4.Rxc2 Qxh6+ 5.Kg1 (2.332)
15.2
  3.00	 0:00 	+3.93++	1...Bb5 2.Qb4 Qxf5 3.cxd6 (2.616) 16.8
  3.00	 0:00 	+4.16 	1...Bb5 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.cxd6 Qxd6 4.Bxg7 Rxg7 (2.861) 18.3
  4.00	 0:00 	+3.87--	1...Bb5 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.c6 (3.701) 22.7
  4.00	 0:00 	+3.37--	1...Bb5 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg1 a2 4.cxd6 a1Q 5.Rxa1 Bxf6 (5.061)
29.5
  4.00	 0:00 	-0.15 	1...Bb5 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg1 Rb7 4.Qe6+ Rf7 5.fxg7 (6.920) 24.8
  4.00	 0:00 	-0.14++	1...Bc6 2.cxd6 Qxd6 3.Qc4+ Bd5 4.Qc8+ Rxc8 (7.683) 27.2
  4.00	 0:00 	+0.21++	1...Bc6 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg1 Bxg2 4.Qxg7+ Qxg7 5.fxg7 (8.149)
28.6
  4.00	 0:00 	+0.91 	1...Bc6 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg3 Bxg2 4.Qxg7+ Qxg7+ 5.fxg7 (10.804)
27.2
  4.00	 0:00 	+0.92++	1...Be8 2.cxd6 Qxd6 3.Qxg7+ Kxg7 4.Rc7+ Qxc7 (15.558) 35.4
  4.00	 0:00 	+0.92 	1...Be8 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg1 Ra8 4.fxg7 dxc5 5.Bxc5 Qxg7
(16.435) 37.0
  5.00	 0:00 	+1.17++	1...Be8 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg3 a2 4.Qxg7+ Qxg7+ 5.Kh3 a1N 6.fxg7
(35.927) 58.3
  5.00	 0:00 	+1.48 	1...Be8 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg1 Rb1 4.Qc8 Rxc1+ 5.Bxc1 a2 6.Qxe8+
Bf8 (44.443) 65.5
  6.00	 0:01 	+1.23--	1...Be8 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg3 a2 4.Rh1 e4 5.Qxg7+ Qxg7+ 6.fxg7
Kxg7 (105.908) 95.6
  6.00	 0:01 	+0.73--	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Qh7 4.Qe6+ Kf8 5.Qxd6+ Re7 6.fxe7+
Kg8 (129.822) 101.9
  6.00	 0:01 	+0.55 	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Rc7 4.cxd6 Qxd6 5.Rxc7 Qxc7 6.Qxg7+
Qxg7 7.fxg7 (182.173) 110.0
  6.00	 0:02 	+0.56++	1...Bb3 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg1 dxc5 4.fxg7 Ra8 5.Bxc5 Ra4 6.Qc8+
Kxg7 (245.241) 115.2
  6.00	 0:02 	+0.56 	1...Bb3 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg3 Ra8 4.cxd6 a2 5.Rh1 (288.823) 118.6
  7.01	 0:03 	+0.31--	1...Bb3 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg3 Ra8 4.cxd6 Kh8 5.Qxg7+ Qxg7+
6.fxg7+ Kxg7 (385.424) 125.1
  7.01	 0:03 	-0.06 	1...Bb3 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg3 Kf7 4.Qxg7+ Qxg7+ 5.fxg7 dxc5
6.Bxc5 Ra8 7.Ra1 (484.165) 130.6
  7.02	 0:03 	-0.05++	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Rc7 4.cxd6 Qxd6 5.Rxc7 Qxc7 6.Qh5
Bxf6 7.Qxe8+ Kh7 (503.926) 130.4
  7.02	 0:04 	+0.30++	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Qd4 4.Qe6+ Bf7 5.Qc8+ Kh7 6.Ra1
Qxa1 7.Qh8+ Kxh8 (552.327) 132.0
  7.02	 0:04 	+0.62 	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Qd4 4.Qxd4 exd4 5.c6 Bxc6 6.fxg7 Be4
(624.557) 134.6
  8.01	 0:06 	+0.37--	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Qd4 4.Qxd4 exd4 5.c6 Bxc6 6.fxg7
Be4 7.Rh1 (898.232) 136.8
  8.01	 0:07 	+0.32 	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Qd4 4.Qe6+ Kh7 5.fxg7 Bf7 6.Qf6 dxc5
7.Qa6 (1.039.270) 139.2
  9.01	 0:21 	+0.35 	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Qg6 4.Qe6+ Qf7 5.Qxf7+ Kxf7 6.fxg7
Rb4 7.Bd2 Ra4 8.Bc3 dxc5 9.Bxe5 (3.085.787) 144.3
 10.01	 0:33 	+0.10--	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Qg6 4.Qxg6 Bxg6 5.fxg7 dxc5 6.Rxc5
Rxg7 7.Bxg7 Kxg7 8.Rxe5 (4.585.986) 137.4
 10.01	 0:48 	+0.07 	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Rc7 4.cxd6 Qxd6 5.Bxg7 e4+ 6.g3 Bh5
7.Qg5 Rxc1 8.Qxc1 (6.718.297) 139.3
 11.01	 1:52 	 0.00 	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Rc7 4.cxd6 Qxd6 5.Bxg7 e4+ 6.g3 Qd7
7.Qg5 Rxc1 8.Bh6+ Kf7 9.Qxc1 (15.637.380) 138.3
 12.01	 5:05 	-0.04 	1...Be8 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 Rc7 4.fxg7 a2 5.Rd1 Qb3 6.cxd6 Rd7
7.Qf5 Rf7 (44.902.326) 146.7
best move: Ba4-e8 time: 5:07.722 min  n/s: 146.797  nodes: 45.172.110


Analysis by Fritz 7:

1...Be8 2.f6 Qg6 3.Qxg6 Bxg6 4.fxg7 dxc5 5.Bxc5
  µ  (-1.04)   Depth: 6/21   00:00:00  94kN
1...Be8--
  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  109kN
1...Be8 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg3 dxc5 4.Bxc5 Rb3+ 5.f3 Qh6
  ³  (-0.63)   Depth: 7/23   00:00:00  171kN
1...Be8 2.f6 Qh7+ 3.Kg3 dxc5 4.Bxc5 Rb3+ 5.f3 Qg6 6.fxg7 Qxg4+ 7.Kxg4 Bd7+ 8.Kg5
  µ  (-0.79)   Depth: 8/24   00:00:02  412kN
1...Be8--
  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:04  999kN
1...Be8 2.c6 Rc8 3.c7 Qb5 4.f6 Qd7 5.Qxg7+ Qxg7
  ³  (-0.35)   Depth: 9/26   00:00:04  1055kN
1...Be8 2.c6 Rc8 3.c7 Qb5 4.f6 Qd7 5.Qxg7+ Qxg7 6.fxg7 Kxg7
  ³  (-0.35)   Depth: 10/28   00:00:12  2995kN
1...Be8 2.c6 Rc8 3.f6 Rc7 4.fxg7 Qg6 5.Qh3 Kxg7 6.Ra1 Bxc6 7.Rxa3
  ³  (-0.32)   Depth: 11/28   00:00:31  6318kN
1...Be8 2.c6 Rc8 3.f6 Rc7 4.fxg7 Qg6 5.Qxg6 Bxg6 6.Bb6 Rc8 7.Kg3 Kxg7
  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 12/31   00:01:04  17421kN
1...Be8 2.c6 Rc8 3.f6 Rc7 4.fxg7 Qg6 5.Qc4+ Qf7 6.Qe4 Bxc6 7.Rxc6
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 13/34   00:02:47  47733kN

Junior 7 had a staggering *one* tablebase hit in it's analysis. I can't remember
seeing that on my PC with still 16 pieces on the board.

Analysis by Junior 7:

1...Bd1 2.Rxd1 Qc2 3.cxd6
  +-  (1.87)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Bc2 2.cxd6 Qxf5
  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Bb3 2.cxd6 Qxd6
  µ  (-1.02)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Bd7 2.cxd6 Bxf5 3.Qh5 a2
  -+  (-1.77)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Bd7 2.Bh6 Qh3+ 3.gxh3 Kf7 4.Qxg7+ Ke8 5.Qf8#
  +-  (#5)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  8kN
1...Bc6 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 a2 4.Qe6+ Kh7 5.fxg7 Rxg7
  ±  (1.08)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  21kN
1...Bb3 2.Bh6 Rb7 3.f6 dxc5 4.Qc8+ Kh7 5.fxg7 Rxg7 6.Bxg7
  ±  (0.96)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  28kN
1...dxc5 2.Qxa4 Qxf5 3.Qxa3 Qh7+ 4.Kg1 Qh4 5.Bxc5
  =  (0.07)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  88kN
1...dxc5 2.Qxa4 Qxf5 3.Bxc5 Bh6 4.Rc3 Qf4+ 5.Rg3+ Kh8 6.Qxa3 Qh4+ 7.Rh3 Bf4+
8.Kg1
  ²  (0.41)   Depth: 9   00:00:01  738kN
1...dxc5 2.Qxa4 c4 3.Rxc4 Qxf5 4.Rh4 Qf8 5.Qc4+ Qf7 6.Qxf7+ Kxf7 7.Rh7 a2
  ²  (0.45)   Depth: 12   00:00:16  9015kN
1...dxc5 2.Qxa4 Qxf5 3.Qxa3 Qh5+ 4.Kg1 e4 5.Qa6 Be5 6.Qe6+ Kh8 7.Qh6+ Qxh6
8.Bxh6 Kh7
  ²  (0.44)   Depth: 14   00:01:10  42900kN
1...dxc5 2.Qxa4 Qxf5 3.Qxa3 Qh5+ 4.Kg1 e4 5.Qxc5 Qxc5 6.Rxc5 Kf7 7.Rc4 Rb1+
8.Kh2 Be5+
  ²  (0.46)   Depth: 15   00:03:31  115733kN, tb=1
1...Be8 2.c6 Rc8 3.Rd1 Qxd1 4.Qxd1 a2 5.Bg5 Rxc6 6.Qa4 Bf7 7.Qa8+ Bf8 8.Bh6 a1Q
9.Qxf8+ Kh7 10.Qxf7+
  ²  (0.35)   Depth: 15   00:04:41  157923kN, tb=1








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